If you could go back in time, would you still get the jab?

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If you could go back in time, would you still get the Covid jab?

I don’t really care if you’re vaccinated or not, but I’m interested if people would go back and change their decision?

@BeardyButton i think the problem is that people aren’t experiencing “severe” side effects, rather, like myself, just general poor health. This is far more difficult to prove that the vaccine has caused than blood clots for example. Therefore, in the official numbers it doesn’t look like a lot of people have side effects from the vaccines but looking at this thread it seems that a lot of people are experiencing the same kind of symptoms as I am.

I'll always remember the Mumsnetter who claimed that 4 members of her immediate family had died, and were proven to have died as a direct result of the AZ vaccine. This was way back when in the whole of the UK, 9 deaths in total were under investigation for possible vaccine links. Deleted for being a lying troll obvs.

Similarly there's a lot of confirmation bias going on. The people who, back in 2020 refused to believe the seriousness of Covid, refused to believe masks worn correctly helped and complained that they had to miss having a big birthday party for their child because the elderly and CEV had to be protected then turned their ire to the vaccine. A subgroup of the Venn diagram then went on to suffer dreadful side effects if they did agree to have it.

@BeardyButton

I always wonder in these threads too. I'm from a very science-y family. My mother and brother are doctors, my SIL is an epidemiologist, my father is a science professor (I'm the lone science failure in the group 😅).

As a family, we know loads of doctors and scientists. They're as up to date on the research as possible. They are the ones who see, not only the statistics, but the patients day to day, face to face. They're the ones who deal with those who have suffered vaccine injuries and who are suffering the effects of Covid. They're the people doing risk assessment on a daily basis. And they've overwhelmingly chosen vaccination and boosters, not only for themselves, but for their families, including their children whenever possible.

Another problem is that the potential long term side effects of Covid are almost identical to many of those of the vaccine. Like the myocarditis issues. Though people still refuse to believe the actual facts that show spontaneous myocarditis is way more likely to occur than that either from Covid infection or the vaccine. Given that the vaccine has, this far, caused less myocardial reaction than either Covid or, in fact, simply being alive, it could virtually be marketed as a healthy heart med. (joke, obvs)

Of course, what really is telling is that every single shoehorning in of a claim made by a specialist/expert who has said or written anything against the vaccine can be immediately dismantled. (See Andrew Bridgen's lies referenced above) Gardening leave predicted for him soon. Even his own party's health minister has spoken against his lies.

@Newmama29

Am I correct in my reading of your posts that you've also had Covid in addition to the vaccine?

@PAFMO I got the vaccine before I got Covid. I was extremely ill on & off for months after the vaccine with viruses & exhaustion & just general poor health. I got Covid months later & was slightly poorly for 2 days. I went to my GP a while later after being so fed up of having coughs & sore throats etc to be told I could have “long Covid”, although this all started before I even got Covid. It doesn’t suit the agenda to even suspect it could be the vaccine that’s causing any health problems because then they’d have to admit that it was wrong to effectively force a medical procedure on the public.

I'm sorry that you're suffering ongoing issues. I think what's somewhat problematic about this is that viruses themselves can and do trigger these kinds of reactions, so if you've suffered this kind of general ill-health following vaccination, the odds are high that you were predisposed to have had the same reaction to the virus itself, and it's impossible to know, obviously, whether Covid would have been worse for you without the vaxx.

And I say that with empathy as someone who has autoimmune thyroid disease triggered by glandular fever. I hope things improve for you soon.

@Mummyford thanks for your kind words. Pre vaccine I was a generally healthy person, I’m only 27 years old, not overweight with no health conditions. Apart from the odd common cold & once the flu I was never generally ill, now it seems as soon as I have a slight cold it is far worse than it’s ever been. I can’t say for sure it was the vaccine, but it’s a big coincidence.

I can’t understand why anyone would be against this topic as a thread.

OP hasn’t been argumentative, seems genuine.

I have found the thread useful to read various opinions. The thread hasn’t changed my opinion on the vaccines. But I am always interested in both sides of the debate and respect other’s opinions, even if they differ from mine.

Yes of course

It would be more surprising if no one had reactions to such a wide reaching vaccination programme, I think discussing that some people are suffering as a result of the jabs doesn't mean you think overall that they're bad, just that these people deserve to be heard and not silenced so they can access support. I think the issue is those with zero medical or scientific knowledge reading stuff online with no critical thought and spreading it as fact. Or when literally any celeb or person under 80 dies saying on social media must be the jab. People died before young and people died before unexpectedly, they don't even know the vaccine status of this people- it's just pushing their agenda.

Another issue is that it's hard to untangle what long term effects are a result of vaccines and what are a result of covid. We know covid, even if mild, can cause lasting changes and damage to people. Unless people can discuss both without judgement or drawing ridiculous conclusions that aren't helpful then ultimately it's individuals that will suffer.

Personally yes I'd have them again, without doubt they made a huge difference on population level.

I really do have great sympathy and empathy on this as I'm well-acquainted with the frustration of going from always having been very fit and healthy to suddenly feeling like I was spending half my life trying to figure out what the hell was wrong with me, with doctor after doctor turning up nothing. I was almost never ill, then got glandular fever and several month later it was one niggling ailment after another after another. Unfortunately, pregnancy and birth (which I'm guessing from your name you've recently been through) can be another triggering factor. It was honestly almost a relief when the thyroid stuff was eventually diagnosed and treated and I went back to feeling like myself. All I can say is that if you feel something is off, regardless of the cause, keep pushing them to get to the bottom of it!

Totally agree with this. It’s highly unlikely that it was the vaccine. Maybe it was. But it’s unlikely. But you should definitely keep pushing till you get an answer. Ask for a full blood work up etc. If you feel there’s smt off, then there’s smt off.

My experience for what it’s worth.
Had all vaccs and boosters except last one (only now eligible). Got covid beginning of Dec. Expected it to be mild. Oxygen went down to 94 and I felt like I was drowning. I developed pneumonia. It was shit. Sickest I ve ever been. I am better now. But my Fitbit tells me my heart is a bit off. My resting heart rate is 10 beats faster and about twice a day I feel breathless and when I check Fitbit my heart is racing (100 -110). I’ve never had anything like this before. Just hoping it sorts itself out.

Does this make me think that I shouldn’t have had vaccine? Hell no. I take the view that life is all about the risk we are willing to take. I believe in the scientific method. Science told me the risk from the vaccine was far less than covid unvaccinated. Science tells me that the use of the mRNA vaccine is in decreasing severity of covid. Empirical studies have justified this. Therefore I believe Covid w/out vaccine would have been (even) worse.

What an interesting thread.

I had one jab in December 2021. I am 35. I’m not against vaccines in general and am otherwise up to date with all others.

I have never felt more pressured into something before in my life. Every advert, radio, billboard etc all on repeat. Something about the vaccine campaign made me feel so so uncomfortable. I found it hard to articulate to those around me at the time but something felt really off. Like a bit sinister.

I didn’t have any further jabs and caught Covid in July 2022. I felt really really unwell for a week and pretty rough for 2 weeks after.

I don’t doubt that the vaccines work and definitely help the most vulnerable, but I’m not sure I’d have the jab again given the opportunity.

I would absolutely get it again. My whole family got covid right before Christmas and we all had mild cases due to the vaccine. DH and I are both in our 60s and have medical conditions that put us at risk for severe covid. We also had no side effects from the vaccine besides a sore arm for a day.

The vast majority of patients hospitalized for covid are unvaccinated. It keeps you out of hospital if you get it, which is a good thing for everyone.

None for me thanks. I am over 50, asthmatic (though it's mild) and work with lots of germ ridden small people regularly!
I haven't had Covid as far as I know, I haven't ever done a test.
I know I have been in close contact with people who had Covid at the time I was with/near them but I didn't catch it.
I get offered the flu vaccine every year but don't take it, I think I've had flu once or twice in my life so I don't feel the need to take a vaccine every year to stop me getting something (as bad, since it doesn't stop you getting flu, they may even have vaccinated against the wrong strain in that year's vaccine) I don't get anyway.
I do know that this year's nasal flu vaccine made an awful lot of children unwell (it's a live vaccine in the nasal one) and consequently many of the adults working with them.
My 85 year old mother has had her Covid vaccines, I believe it was after one of the boosters that she developed problems with her right hand-arthritis that was suddenly there that hadn't been before. She knows it was totally related the the vaccine but due to be an avid follower of the media, she's going to continue to have more boosters because of the fear propaganda.
Most people I know have had Covid vaccinations and been ill after getting the vaccine AND have had Covid more than once since having the vaccines AND have been quite unwell.
I always question what other 'vaccine' do you need so many doses of in such a short space of time-that doesn't even stop you getting or transmitting the said virus? I think there's lots to think about and plenty of questions that need asking and that finding answers need to come from a range of sources.

Absolutely.
I hope you manage to get to the bottom of it all, and you're on the way to getting better.
The problem is, for every genuine person like yourself, there are posters like the one I mentioned. Astroturfers by and large, who not only promote dangerous falsities but also do a huge disservice to genuine people like yourself.

Yes

I am looking in amusement at a whatsapp group I am on. All vaxxed to the hilt. ALL ill. Without exception. Each family been wiped out over Christmas. Really quite poorly. STILL saying thank goodness for the 5 jabs I have had and the flu jab too! I don't understand it. Truly I do not.

No absolutely not

If you don't understand, I suspect the problem lies with your critical thinking skills rather than the vaccine.

No jab that will fix that, unfortunately

Absolutely not. Pre vaccine (May 2021) I know for a fact that I was healthy. By Oct 2021 I found out about a brand new Hashimoto's disease, with lots of TPO antibodies, too many platelets, weight gain, arrhythmia, unexplained leg pains. Then I had Covid (Feb 2022) which felt like a common cold. Now I still have Hashimoto's, but with less TPO antibodies, normal TSH and I generally feel much better.

But then I randomly got hashimotos. Diagnosed way before the vaccine. That's just one of those, you don't have it and then you do
Same with anything like diabetics, cancer, MS...
it could be a coincidence with the vaccine

Except that those leg pains, that arrhythmia and that weight gain started right after the vaccine (and no, I wasn't afraid of the vaccine, anxious, on the contrary, I was happy and totally unsuspecting). Things got better only after Covid - not only better, but noticeably better, as if the body was yearning for a fix and found it in the virus (??).