Triple jabbed and second Covid?

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Is it normal to have Covid again, after being jabbed 3 times? I thought I’d have a strong immunity by now after the first natural infection plus jabs. Is anyone else in the same situation? I’m literally drained and have zero energy. My symptoms are not any of the classic symptoms, but a headache, fatigue and heart palpitations. I’m childishly disappointed by it all. I’ve been signed off work but have no idea what to do with drop offs to school, all the children’s plans too.

Yep!
Demonised.

Lots of people in London had already had covid early on and were fine which is why I think the uptake for the vaccine was low.
Common sense, I think.
We were told initially that if you'd had covid, then one dose of vaccine is enough as two exposures will give you excellent protection. So that's what many did.
Those people were then considered unvaccinated as they kept moving the goalposts.
People were talking about Londoners in such a negative way due to the vaccine take up as if they had low IQ or extremely selfish.

Really demonised, as was everyone not considered fully vaccinated.

I had it last January and the November before that and had my 3rd jab in the December so yes

I think that it was supposed to reduce transmission but it was later told that it didn't actually reduce transmission

During the peak craziness of Covid both pro and anti vax propaganda was incredibly polarising, on here threads were constantly derailed by arguments over the vaccine.

Our immune systems certainly don’t like whatever is happening right now with or without vaccination- my unvaccinated friends are getting Covid and the umpteen identical viruses doing the rounds right now just as often as the vaccinated ones with equal symptom severity. Can you imagine what repeated Covid infection will do in another years time if things are this bad now?

I've had 4 vaccinations and have tested positive three times, all in 2022! First time really sick as in week in bed with heavy flu-like symptoms, few weeks ofnpistbviral fatigue afterwards (guess this was delta). Second time when Omicron was dominant strain barely noticed it, in fact only realised I was positive as had to do a test to travel. Third time was whatever is going round now and was also pretty I'll, week in bed, secondary chest infection and now in the post viral tiredness phase.

I think it's just a really, really infectious new virus and that we don't have decades of immunity built up yet. The vaccines clearly only have a minimising affect for a few months. I'm still glad I had them though as I would not have liked to face the SARS COV 2 virus with zero immunity, judging by how sick I was 2/3 times. I do worry about more insidious thinks the virus might be doing to me though as the brain fog/neurological effect do seem to be a thing. I've currently got no sense of smell whatsoever, again, and I've had numb hands since the last bout.

I’m unvaccinated but see both sides. I have had covid once and it was fine. I have had lots of viruses this autumn - I feel my immune system is below par and no better or worse than my vaccinated friends.

i do worry about cumulative effects of covid infection, vaccinated or not.

I don't see why it's confusing about why we don't vaccinate for the cold virus and we do vaccinate for the COVID virus (and influenza virus, measles, shingles etc etc). They are different types of virus, in some cases or different viruses within the same family. Many cold are caused by coronavirues. The COVID virus is a Corona virus, but onee that had been around for thousands of hundreds of thousands of years so there's plenty of tolerance to them. What made the COVID virus potentially much more dangerous is that it's new to humans and only emerged in 2019. It will eventually be 'just another cold virus'

Of course some types of virus are potentially much more damaging to human bodies than others and therefore there is different urgency in developing a vaccine. I mean which would you rather have, a cold or Ebola?

This is why I don't understand where there's no wider discussion about what we can do to support our health.
We don't have to limit our lives and vaccinated or unvaccinated, we don't have to be sitting ducks

theconversation.com/amp/covid-nasal-sprays-may-one-day-prevent-and-treat-infection-heres-where-the-science-is-up-to-193840

I agree, we can mitigate our risks. I know masks aren’t popular. But nasal sprays sound promising.

There are studies out there around nasal rinses - when I had it for the second time I tried that and didn't pass it on. There are also studies about exercise, zinc, vitamin D.
Then there's good old fashioned changing your diet to reduce inflammation and improve gut health. Address any nutritional deficiencies. Loads we can do. We're not hepless.

The more covid jabs you've had, the more likely you are to test positive for covid, so it's not surprising that many people are on their 3rd or more time.

Studies have come out confirming this. for example

"The risk of COVID-19 also varied by the number of COVID-19 vaccine doses previously received. The higher the number of vaccines previously received, the higher the risk of contracting"

fromeden that study has left me gobsmacked. How can a covid vaccine leave you more vulnerable to infection? That makes zero sense. I assume it’s more that more vulnerable people are vaccinated and more likely to test positive?

I like to think in terms of what we can do. It helps me to feel a bit more positive 😊

It's a known risk of mass vaccination with a vaccine that doesn't stop transmission. It's called immune imprinting and it's basically the virus adapting to preferentially infect vaccinated people, who are missing certain antibodies that come from infection. It seems being vaccinated prevents people making these extra antibodies, even after infection. We better hope it doesn't mutate into a more dangerous version or we could be in for a world of trouble when some people are one their 5th shots at this stage. This is what the likes of geert vandenbosche has been warning about since it became apparent that the vaccines don't stop transmission, although I don't think this scenario is very likely

here is an article talking about a different study that found the same thing.

Sorry, last post was in reply to @BeethovenNinth

But that’s different again fromADE is it?

and if you were more likely to be infected presumably it makes sense to keep giving the jabs if they prevent severe disease?

Are you saying keep giving them jabs that weaken their immune systems because they are more at risk of contracting covid after having the vaccines that weaken their immune systems?!

I suppose I am! To lessen severity?

Weakening their immune systems makes people more susceptible to (and less able to fight off) all sorts of illnesses, not just covid. It’s criminal to keep jabbing people if this is what’s happening!

One of my concerns was that having a set of vaccines plus booster might mean signing up for regular updates.
It's not zero risk to keep having them so often is it? Everything has side effects and someone has to be the unlucky person that gets them, even if rare.

Gosh, a conspiracy theorist could almost think it’s by design...vaccine dependency for humans to survive. Kerching for Big Pharma!

I think they make enough money without adding in conspiracies.

The animal studies done on the vaccines back in 2020 showed that the vaccinated animals developed more severe disease than the unvaccinated when exposed to the virus. Pfizer stated that they 'did not know if this would be replicated in humans', on their very own consent forms. So no I'm not surprised to see all those around me who had multiple vaccines becoming very unwell with covid. I think the vaccines have damaged people's immune systems.
Unvaccinated and never had covid to my knowledge despite repeated exposure, nor have I picked up any of the other respiratory viruses doing the rounds, again surrounded by sick colleagues at the moment. Very glad I trusted in my own immune system and resisted the pressure to have these so called vaccines.

But this is amazing in itself. Why the rush to then extend the programme beyond the vulnerable if this was even a slight possibility? The MHRA has some of the brightest minds in science.