Triple jabbed and second Covid?

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Is it normal to have Covid again, after being jabbed 3 times? I thought I’d have a strong immunity by now after the first natural infection plus jabs. Is anyone else in the same situation? I’m literally drained and have zero energy. My symptoms are not any of the classic symptoms, but a headache, fatigue and heart palpitations. I’m childishly disappointed by it all. I’ve been signed off work but have no idea what to do with drop offs to school, all the children’s plans too.

2020 , not 2000, obviously!

Studies from spring 2021 suggested that the vaccine did cut household transmission by about 50% then we got Delta.

A lot of people now seem to deny that we were told it reduced transmission.

Despite the denials, there is no doubt that the narrative was that the vaccines reduced transmission. This whole ‘no one said it reduced transmission’ line is a total fabrication - they did say it, many times, and there were numerous awful policies built on this lie- including losing your job!

yet the blind loyalty and defence to these vaccines continues, which given their track record is pretty unbelievable

Fascinating to see how mumsnet is slowly changing its view on this and finally allowing some honest feedback about the vax.

I’ve not had any of the covid vaccines. Had covid once in Sept 21 was ill for a week. Otherwise been fit and well bar a cold a month ago.
Most people I know who have had the vaccines are becoming more ill, catching more sicknesses and taking longer to recover.
My dsis has had covid 4 times ☹️

Yep! And this site was one of the worst for shutting down any skepticism regarding the vaccine.

No one wants to be honest because it stirs fear. We were told a million times that we wouldn’t get it and we wouldn’t spread it by the press and politicians. Especially in the states. I follow news closely there because most of my family are there. All my family and friends believed this to be true. Why are people now suffering amnesia on this point?
I think that if the facts on transmission were put forward, the uptake would have been far less. Many people, like myself took it because they wanted to protect others.
Stop pulling the wool over your eyes. We were mislead.

This is my memory of what we were told about vaccines and transmission:-

Initially: we don’t know yet what impact it will have on transmission; we hope that it will reduce it, but we don’t know for sure.

Later: Good news - the evidence shows that the vaccine reduces the risk of transmission.

NEVER: Vaccines prevent transmission.

We were never told by researchers that vaccines prevent transmission, only that they reduce the risk of transmission. Which is very valuable, by the way, when the majority of the population was still naive to the virus. Sadly, by the time the vaccine was being rolled out, variants had arisen with which the vaccines were less effective at limiting both infection and transmission - although still highly effective at reducing the risk of hospitalisation and death.

And I’m sure that journalists and the general public will have misconstrued “reduces risk” to mean “prevents”. But I don’t think the actual researchers ever said it.

We were never told that here (UK). The vaccine was all about reducing hospitalisation and death, which is exactly what it has done.

There was hope that it would also reduce transmission too, and early tests showed that it did that. But, as a PP has pointed out, along came Delta and the vaccine was less good at reducing transmission.

Yet there are still adverts on local radio telling people to have it to protect their mates, and the children of vulnerable people have been encouraged to have it and care workers were sacked for not having it and NHS worker mandates were only dropped at the very last minute. There was the time when right before Christmas party year when women having IVF suddenly had their IVF stopped no matter where in their treatment they were if they weren't vaccinated.
None of this makes sense against a backdrop of it doing so little to reduce transmission.

@PuzzledObserver It was said many, many, many times by various people who were at the forefront of informing us all during the initial roll out.

That was the whole point of it being rolled out to people under 65, because initially only the elderly were the target age demographic. There was no forecast of multiple injections + boosters for us all. Then, all of a sudden we all needed to be vaccinated to protect each other, rather than it being just the elderly. It was even said at the very beginning that we wouldn't get infected at all, from world leaders like Joe Biden. This came out of his mouth verbatim. Yet you claim that people misinterpreted what they were told. I do not see how the clear message being "get vaccinated to save other's" can be be misconstrued. The story then changed to, there is a small (not accurate) risk of infection, however, you would not get sick or die. Yes the vaccines are safe and effective, no doubt, but HOW effective are they in relation to what we were sold? Wouldn't it have been better to tell the world that we didn't know how it would evolve, and we'd just watch and see, as we were progressively understanding the virus and the science to treat/prevent it in real time? Too many expectations were set that were not met.
Why has everyone all of a sudden got amnesia on here?

From the CEO of pfizer himself:

"Excited to share that updated analysis from our Phase 3 study with BioNTech also showed that our COVID-19 vaccine was 100% effective in preventing #COVID19 cases in South Africa. 100%!"

And that is just one such statement about how the vaccines STOP transmission. But yeah, never happened 🙄

Immunity wears off

So yes, being jabbed will reduce severity and maybe might (for a few months) make it less likely you catch it in the first place, this will wane.

Waning has been observed to begin as early as 4 months, but may well last somewhat longer.

If you want to avoid getting covid over, and over, and over again (with the potential for needing time off work each time, and with the risk of long covid each time) then as well as getting boosted when you can, think about your patterns of mixing with people. Can you make them safer? eg by better ventilation and wearing masks (when in poorly ventilated indoor areas with large numbers of others)

Trouble is, the focus has always been relentlessly on antibody levels. Antibody levels will always fall after a few months. This has been used to push the need for frequent boosters. What's needed is more T cell studies. T cells can give long-lasting immunity. They're what prevents severe disease (as they kick into action about a week into an infection, which is when Covid can take a turn for the worst). Therefore the majority of us may not need further immunisations as the T cell immunity by now would be sufficient for long-lasting protection (obviously excluding people who are immune compromised) - unless the virus mutates sufficiently so that the current vaccine is no longer effective. In that scenario, yes people will still continue to get Covid regularly, but won't (in most cases) get severe disease. However it's in Big Pharma's interests now to keep churning out boosters, despite the scientific basis for it being iffy.

There has been a real perversion of the meaning of ‘vaccine’ during the Covid era. This constant repetition of ‘ vaccine reduces the severity and that’s what it has always meant ‘ is….nonsense.

The smallpox vaccine eradicated smallpox, ditto polio, in countries which vaccinated fully. No one was told that they would get any of the diseases vaccinated against less severely, they were told, truthfully, that they would not get them at all.

anyway, the claim that it will reduce severity is complete unprovable, given that Covid seems to have different levels of severity, and indeed symptoms in different people. So it is not possible to say that severity is effected in any individual, although it may be possible to draw some overall conclusions from hospitalisations in the population. Even that finding , however, has to be set against the hard fact that many of the most seriously effected have died, either from Covid or from other morbidities.

I think the initial vaccination programme, amongst the ‘vulnerable’ was useful, as it should have enabled restrictions to be reduced, and society return to functioning much earlier. Of course, that didn’t happen really.

A little over a year ago I was having to make plans for when I wouldn't be allowed into concerts or nightclubs alongside my friends. People told me I was selfish and putting vulnerable people at risk. The narrative was absolutely that it would prevent transmission. A year down the line and now people in my age group (unless vulnerable etc) are just as unvaccinated as I am. What a bizarre time it all was!

@FlyLight If you were in Scotland you couldn't have done.
We still can't go to the USA.

Not sure why it matters? Sorry you’re unwell but that’s life and it’s winter

@Buzzinwithbez yes that's true, it's utterly bonkers isn't it. My dp would be allowed in despite last having a jab November 2021 but I wouldn't. Even though it doesn't stop you getting or passing on covid. surely they must see how mad it is!

Of course they do, which adds weight to the “conspiracy theory” that it was more about control (digital ID etc) than it ever was about health.

”what is the difference between conspiracy theory and fact?”

”12 months”

Yes it's normal.

Having the vaccine/ booster isn't going to stop you ever catching Covid.

It doesn't last forever, the effect wears off, and there are different strains of Covid as well. It's more like a flu jab, it just reduces the risk. It's still a good thing to have it.

Have you seen what's happening in China where a "mild" strain meets a population with lower levels of vaccination?

It reduces the severity of symptoms if you do catch it. That has always been the case.

The 'narrative' was never that it would completely prevent transmission, that is just how some people chose to interpret the facts so that they could argue with it when people who were jabbed caught Covid.

I've had four vaccinations and currently have COVID for the second time. I'm in bed for the fourth day in a row and incredibly grateful for the vaccine - I can't imagine how ill I'd be if I hadn't had them.

And those people who questioned anything were rounded on and vilified. I do not have enough fingers, and toes to count the amount of people I know who have kept up to date with all of the boosters, and still ended up very poorly due to contracting the virus. Some have had enough, and are not getting any more.