To ask if we’re heading for another lockdown?

[TreeLine6]

So covid cases are rising and like clockwork, the likes of independent sage are back in the media calling for ‘protections’ like masks, isolation and social distancing to “avoid full lockdown”.

Is it time to reintroduce some measures like the rule of 6, a cap on large events numbers and maybe distancing and early closure for hospitality as independent sage are calling for?

Personally I feel that with vaccines and treatments, we are now in the best position we’re going to get with covid and would be very reluctant to comply with further measures, that themselves cause enormous harm.

Our large hospital has never done away with mask wearing. Still compulsory there and at our gp practice, not that you can get an appointment to see a gp anyway, unless they think you’re virtually dying!

@Heysnuggee so basically we agree it was OTT then! Cool.

Medical appointments get booked because they are actually needed, I think to cancel them on the basis of a "might" re covid was utterly wrong. To me that's obvious but if you think it's "ignorant", I guess it explains why you're a fan of pointless Orwellian lockdowns and I'm not. Whatever.

Lockdowns we’re not the reason for the delays in treatment!!

The NHS was open the whole time.

The reasons for treatment delays were that NHS resources were diverted to Covid wards plus NHS staff off with covid.

Your mum didn’t not get an injection because of lockdown, she didn’t get it because covid cases were allowed to get so high that there wasn’t the NHS infrastructure available to treat covid and run normal services. Because of covid not lockdown.

Same amount of deaths over a shorter period of time.

A better economy and of course if we hadn’t had lockdowns Liz Truss wouldn’t be PM

Well, exactly. Covid isn’t going anywhere and we can’t keep having lockdowns every winter.
No rule of six or any other similar „light“ restrictions either, because they’re not light at all and they’re trashing the economy.

@Parker231 take it from your comment that you know no one who died because of lockdowns or who suffered harms due to lockdowns.

No problem with wearing a mask again...as long as everyone else does.

No. I don't think there will be any other measures introduced either. After what happened with partygate etc.. the goodwill simply wouldn't be there.

@TheyreOnlyNoodlesMichael

You have some cheek telling me to stop commenting. Arrogance beyond belief.

I have lost several loved ones to Covid. I don't want to lose any more.

I'm not sure why you took exception to my post at all. Just stating facts.

Odd response.

I don't think there will be another lockdown. I also think any additional measures government may bring in will be brought in very late. I think less people may comply - not just because government stuck two fingers up at people. Government have stuck two fingers up at people over many things and I don't see people saying 'must have an affair/ must siphon off funds to my mates / must screw up the business I'm responsible for/must lie excessively etc.

I think in accepting things as they are, people also need to accept the impacts of not doing anything beyond vaccinating some. There is too much research out there for some to keep dismissing covid as a cold and ignore the real impacts it is having on peoples' bodies, their livelihoods, their ability to work, pressures on NHS, education, economy, health/£ cost to the next generation etc.

As for the isage video - I saw a slightly extended version which acknowledges the harm of lockdown and talks about lack of smaller measures leading to lockdowns. "They are harmful. There's no doubt about that". I am not sure why the shorter version is doing the rounds on social media, but suspect it was started by someone wanting to deliberately mislead. m.youtube.com/watch?t=1274&v=2fXwWF4KoG4&feature=youtu.be

Let's be totally honest here. I doesn't matter what any individual thinks any more. The majority of people have seen the economy tank, nhs collapse even more, kids suffer while those in power didn't follow the rules they set.

If anyone thinks there could ever be mass by in to go back to April 2020 for covid, then they are totally delusional.

Yes I would wear a mask again even though I don't got a single shit about covid. I would do it, even though I think it's now a joke. But do I think most other people would? No. I'm not that stupid.

But rules and laws in place and see how that is received with 2.5 years of hindsight. Do whatever I personally may think, its getting zero headspace.

On a personal level my dd is 2 years behind at school, was diagnosed with ASD in reception when her paediatrician said she would start to fall apart at puberty if ever. So why should say I care about the greater good at the expense of my children, my health, my mother's inability to get an appointment with neurologist for suspected parkinsons for a year now, my bf having to do cpr for 15 minutes on hold to 999 when their mum was having a massive attack and died? I'm a total fucking idiot to be willing to put a mask on and follow rules, but I would. I would not expect other too. Nope. Let people look at the evidence and come to their own conclusions.

Covid can not and never will go back in the bag. You can not fight the science of virology. With all the money and wealth in world you can not rewrite nature and you can get ahead of evolution so that's what pisses me off the most. Total inability to grasp basic biology.

I’ve seen more people wearing masks again, probably the sensible ones given the increasing rates of Covid, flu and other viruses. Generally people are also still conscious of social space in public places and sit apart where possible. I don’t think we will see a return to lockdowns, Boris & the rest of his ‘party’ made a mockery of our sacrifices, apart from anything else. Boris was saved by the NHS, but the NHS hasn’t recovered as well from Boris and don’t think it can take the winter hit unfortunately.

Even if it was suggested there'd no longer be the same level of compliance.
And let's not forget that a lot of people simply won't comply any further with lockdowns as they know those who made the rules previously wilfully ignored them themselves anyway. People haven't forgotten that that happened.

this.
Just can't see a lockdown happening like it did before.
Plus you can't just keep shutting down businesses, they're just not going to survive if you do

To paraphrase Mandy Rice-Davies, she would say that, wouldn’t she.

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Indy Sage enjoyed their time in the sun. They want it to continue. Back in the real world, we're only starting to understand and unravel the harms lockdown did in the first place.

some areas of working with the most vulnerable will probably put extra measures in place

some would absolutely love this to happen return to lockdowns and restrictions but I think the vast majority have the attitude you just have to get on with it

And don't tell its the tory fault. Labour can not write write evolution of viruses. whoever was in power with unlimited money can not escape covid mutating and evolving. It's a basic premise of biology and part of the deal of life on this planet. So bring in Labour, let them try to stop virus mutations while I sit back and think this planet has gone to shit with insanity. We are stuck with it until the sun burns off earth's atmosphere

I said stop speaking as though you are the lone voice for every "vulnerable" person. It's written down in black and white so I'm not sure why you're making things up. I guess you like drama...

No 🙄

Want a bet?

This is 100% not true or scientifically accurate. Covid is not like flu and there is no evidence at all that it will evolve in a less virulent way and become like a cold.
This is at best wishful thinking and at worst pseudoscience.

The variant soup bubbling now is more infectious with higher levels of immune escape than previous omicron strains.

I also think you don’t know the difference between SAGE who are the government’s scientific advisory board and Independent SAGE who are a group of scientists in relevant fields who wanted to be open with the public about the progression of the pandemic. They are people who are top of their field of research.

Only an absolute idiot would just decide to terminate a team of scientists who advise the government on all matters including health, public health and anything science related. Why TF would you not want a government to have too scientific advise for making decisions? Do you not understand the basis of science at all?
They won’t lose their jobs, they’re employees of the top institutions and universities in the country. The are industrial experts.

This always comes back to a misunderstanding of public health and epidemiology- it always looks like you took too many measures because the thing you were trying to prevent doesn’t happen (the measures worked and you did prevent it.)

When you look at the economy you say we can’t afford these measures but in effect you can’t afford to not take the measures because the detrimental effect on the economy when the workforce is too ill to work and successive generations cannot work either is much more of an economic disaster (especially in a country that’s decided it doesn’t need foreign workers). The population is becoming older and more ill. There is a skills gap in those about 50 who are unable to work because of covid related illnesses or refuse to be cannon fodder so close to retirement.

Fuck that. We've all put enough of our lives on hold. As a country we can't afford it, even if people did comply x

This is pretty much what I think will happen too!

Seriously @TreeLine6 ?

Are you just trying to create some kind of panic?

Also there's a big issue in that there was a culture created that if tested positive for Covid, it meant ten days off work, whether you were actually ill or not. This is completely unsustainable, yet there are still people testing at any hint of a minor runny nose, who are then disappointed that they don't have Covid, because they know absense despite being well enough to work will be tolerated if they are covid positive.

Covid now is like the flu and with every new variant it gets slightly less strong until it is like the common cold

@Kennykenkencat is this science and can you link, or is it your opinion?