To ask if we’re heading for another lockdown?

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So covid cases are rising and like clockwork, the likes of independent sage are back in the media calling for ‘protections’ like masks, isolation and social distancing to “avoid full lockdown”.

Is it time to reintroduce some measures like the rule of 6, a cap on large events numbers and maybe distancing and early closure for hospitality as independent sage are calling for?

Personally I feel that with vaccines and treatments, we are now in the best position we’re going to get with covid and would be very reluctant to comply with further measures, that themselves cause enormous harm.

IndieSage recommending a number of things but not lockdowns or rule of 6 etc….the stats show currently more people in hospital with covid and dying of it. So we can either choose to put in some effective measures (testing & support to isolate, masks in healthcare & public transport, clean air in public spaces including schools) or we can watch the situation worsen despite it being totally predictable. Whether that’s more people waiting longer for hospital treatment or more people disabled by Long Covid.

to the “we’re all vaxxed we have to learn to live with it” brigade…

I’m CEV single parent with no antibody response to the vaccines. Govt isn’t funding Evusheld the drug that would help despite it being used by every other G7 country, and 34 countries globally. There are around half a million people in the U.K. in my position, when’s our “freedom day”?

There are no public health mitigations in place any more. If my daughter brings it home from school and I die, then what? I don’t want her to join the thousands of covid orphans. Because that is what ignoring covid means - more death and more grief.

So we either front up to this and take action, or do fuck all and watch as more people we know lose loved ones or get sick with Long Covid, whilst your kids continually catch the latest variants meaning you need time off work.

'There's no such thing as bad language, just language used badly' ~ Billy Connolly

Too fucking right.

Mine's very dear. Costs a fucking fortune.

Lovinglife AF, I've got 2 and a ds but I certainly don't refer to them that way.You just admitted swearing wasn't a sign of intellect by the way, I don't think you meant to,as I imagine you think you are quite smart. That may be so, mumsnetters seem to be a high earning but permanently angry bunch of people , but swearing f this and sh that...we have a rich and varied language to choose from,go on,give it a go! And you should care about covid, and infectious diseases in general.I had all the childhood illnesses,and glandular fever too, I'd very much have liked not to have had the measles that badly damaged my eyes.

My brother in his 60s has been admitted to hospital today with covid and pneumonia so it is very much still around and can still cause problems even if fully vaccinated. My brother is very fit and leads a good lifestyle ie no smoking ever & very limited drinking. I will take whatever I'm offered to keep me from being very ill.

After the Boris party shit show, I wouldn't comply despite following every rule last time! I think many feel the same

I don't swear in real life (except when I bang my toe say) but it's quite refreshing that MN allows sweary Mary to have her say as it's a sort of pressure release from real life even though I know I should fucking stop it.

too fucking right! 😂😂

I suppose the issue is what would the death rate have been without lockdowns? If lockdowns reduced numbers (I not everyone agrees with that but if they did) then it is a false comparison. I think lockdowns did do something and before vaccines we needed them. The reduction in flu and colds surely indicates that.

I’m very well educated, and I don’t give a shit about Covid either. Never have really. You may think swearing is a marker of intellect, education or maturity, but you’d be fucking wrong

I'm with you, @LovinglifeAF

I hope he's OK. When I had it I got pneumonia but managed to avoid hospital but it wasn't a nice experience.

If we are to avoid lockdown, which no one wants,or a serious surge in cases,we need to act responsibly!

Actually we don't need to do anything at all to avoid lockdown, because it isn't going to happen regardless of the case rate. Any Tory PM foolish enough to attempt it would be removed by the parliamentary party and replaced by an anti-lockdown leader instead. Further lockdown in this pandemic is politically impossible.

Not being in favour of further lockdowns or draconian restrictions, due to the poverty and suffering they cause, is not being 'misinformed' and it's not the same as thinking covid is not worth bothering about. If we were unbothered about covid we wouldn't have had multiple vaccinations, for example.

Yes, I know people with long covid. I also know people who have reactive arthritis due to catching viruses and who have suffered from lasting effects of viruses. It's shit. But nobody ever campaigned about the lasting effects of flu, for example, did they? Why are people seizing on this as a reason for restrictions? Wouldn't it be a better use of your time to campaign for investment into research into treatments, say, than telling people on an online forum how misinformed and gullible they are?

Yes, I've known people who have died. So thanks for the heads up, but I already know 'they were real people'.

In 2020-21 I had my RA treatment paused because of covid. I was due to change medication when the pandemic hit. My clinic was closed initially, and then there was a huge backlog. I spent over a year in agony. My consultant's secretary, under covid rules, wasn't allowed to go next door to her office and speak to her, so had to email, and my consultant had literally hundreds of emails to get through, meaning mine didn't get seen for weeks each time I called. I posted about it here and was torn to shreds by some posters because I was so (you guessed it!) selfish. The backlog was entirely due to restrictions: Nobody from the rheumatology department was redeployed to covid wards. The year without treatment has caused further damage to my joints, incidentally. How selfish of me, indeed.

Anyone who thinks there is one unified 'the science' and one unified 'the scientists' when it comes to covid management is as thick as pigshit and unqualified to be on the internet.

Having lost my fiance to Covid 31st December 2020. Although we followed all the rules. He was vunerable & so am I. I got it after him. And still suffering long covid symptons now. My youngest is a life threatned child who needs 24/7 care. So I hope we do not go back to a complete lockdown. But masks etc should be made compulsiry again in all closed in spaces. Like Schools, Public Transport, Shops & Offices, all medical places. And full protective clothing of people going into houses with anyone vunerable. Plus free testing again with people staying home until they are free of it. I will never get over loosing my fincee and the constant risk to the rest if my family is so frightening. Along with everyone else that has lost a loved one. So many people have died and still are. Please have a thought for them all. If we all take precautions and have boosters flu & Covid maybe we will get through the winter. But people must care about other people. No the country can not afford another lockdown, but we need to be responsible for other people especially the Vunerable.

Lol. I certainly wouldn’t comply. Mind you I didn’t comply the first time round either.
Still have the packet of masks I bought back in March 2020. They’re around half full still.

No. No. No.

if you want to have yourself a merry little lockdown, go right ahead. The rest of us will be getting on with life.

Hell no. The economy will not stand it. People will not stand it. You cannot just keep shutting down the functioning of nations.

Nope and if there is I won’t be taking any notice of it I did last time and regret the wasted months I could have spent with family especially my dad who is now housebound and has deteriorated with his dementia and Alzheimer’s

I don’t think there will ever be another lockdown

My 85 yr old DF struggled to walk after the first lockdown as he didn't go out hardly at all, it done him a lot more harm than good. He's dead now and I'm sure it hastened his demise

This is spot on. Me too in terms of my mental health - and my physical health took a downward spiral too. We absolutely needed that first lockdown and I stuck to the letter of the law, even although I had a 91 year old Mother who was lonely and needed visits ( as well as poor health).

Many people now waiting for vital operations, in severe pain, needing urgent heart treatment and operations, cancer etc and it will be a long time before the NHS get through those waiting lists It will be years - if ever.

I know people suffering from long covid - and I personally know of a couple of people ( under 60) who died from Covid back early on in 2020. I am also very sorry for those who are CEV - again I do know some people in that situation, but we cannot possibly add to all the damage that has been done already by having a further lockdown.

It IS time to learn to live with it. I'm 70, so not young, but not that old either so would hope to have a good few years yet. We have vaccines now ( just got mine along with my flu jab today), there are anti-virals and treatments which can help and I personally, would not comply if they tried to lock us down yet again. My Mental and physical health would not cope with it another time.

I suspect this government won't lockdown, but you may be right OP, perhaps we should start masking up again if for no other reason than to protect ourselves, cos sadly the vaccines don't stop you catching it, though my symptons were very mild and I'm clinically extremely vulnerable so they help!

Do you know anyone who has been incapacitated by long COVID? 10% of people who contract COVID get long COVID. There's no cure

I'd love to know how this 10% figure was worked out. The majority of the people I know fairly well have had covid at least once (some 2 or 3 times), well over 50 acquaintances/friends/relatives. Surely at least one of those (statistically it should be 5) would have long covid and yet I know absolutely no-one with long covid. That is unless your counting a bit of a cough a few weeks after having had it.

Meanwhile I know a similar number of people who had a "mystery respiratory virus" December 2019 and several had symptoms for 3months+ after. And that includes myself, it took months for my hr to go back down and for me to be able to push myself as hard during exercise. In fact I was probably only up to about 90% when lockdown happened.

I have long Covid. When I lift anything even remotely heavy I get a burning sensation in my chest or sometimes chest pains. Before Covid I ran about 5k-10k mostly with no problem now I play football with the kids and there’s times I have to sit down. Hate it so much, I feel like an old woman sometimes. Definitely better than it was but still tough going