To ask if we’re heading for another lockdown?

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So covid cases are rising and like clockwork, the likes of independent sage are back in the media calling for ‘protections’ like masks, isolation and social distancing to “avoid full lockdown”.

Is it time to reintroduce some measures like the rule of 6, a cap on large events numbers and maybe distancing and early closure for hospitality as independent sage are calling for?

Personally I feel that with vaccines and treatments, we are now in the best position we’re going to get with covid and would be very reluctant to comply with further measures, that themselves cause enormous harm.

No lockdowns, just sensible common sense approaches, get your boosters, wear a mask in enclosed crowded spaces, free Covid lateral flow tests, and if you are not well, even if not Covid, then stay at home till better to protect others.

Why on earth would you care what Independent SAGE says? They are utterly discredited, as is the, er, non-independent SAGE. The only reason there isn’t a massive bonfire of reputations among scientists is that so many of them drank the lockdown Kool-Aid there’s a collective vested interest in stifling discussion about just how wrong they were and just how much damage their advice caused. Just remember as you are shocked by inflation or reeling at the cost of remortgaging, lockdown did that. If you backed it, then you backed the fire financial mess we are now in. And don’t say nobody saw it coming; it doesn’t take even GCSE economics to understand what happens when a government prints money to the value of 25% of GDP, massive inflation and devaluation. Yep, we are where we are directly as a result of lockdown and furlough.

I’m CEV single parent with no antibody response to the vaccines. Govt isn’t funding Evusheld the drug that would help despite it being used by every other G7 country, and 34 countries globally. There are around half a million people in the U.K. in my position, when’s our “freedom day

In dhs case everyday is freedom day
He reasons he might as well be dead as adhering to the first lockdown cost him his mental clarity along with his job and our home.

The cost of locking down for us came with a price so high that it has done incalculable damage

Both our adult dc lost their jobs.
Their businesses were affected and only Dd was able to claim support. The rest of us fell through the gaps.

FWIW I am in my 60s and unvaccinated. I am allergic to all vaccines.

I'd love to know how this 10% figure was worked out. The majority of the people I know fairly well have had covid at least once (some 2 or 3 times), well over 50 acquaintances/friends/relatives. Surely at least one of those (statistically it should be 5) would have long covid and yet I know absolutely no-one with long covid. That is unless your counting a bit of a cough a few weeks after having had it.

That's usually exactly what they're doing, yep. The definition the ONS use is symptoms after 4 weeks, so a bit of a cough a few weeks after is apparently long covid.

I've also never seen one that wasn't based on self-reported cases, meaning people who had covid and were either asymptomatic or whose symptoms were so mild that they didn't seek a test aren't included. This is a significant weakness in the methodology.

I got sent a survey about symptoms post covid. I did have post-Covid conjunctivitis which is a thing and problems with an eye for months afterwards. But I wouldn't call it long Covid - simply because the same thing could technically happen with any virus

My long covid includes extreme pain in joints, fit and healthy a year ago and hobbling round now and my hands are agony and painkillers aren't doing anything. Breathlessness. Bloods all over the place - on meds for that. Itching - probably the worst thing, I try not to scratch in the day but you can't control yourself when sleeping, well I can't, so I wake up with bloody scratches - have been given some cream to help but it isn't doing much. Tiredness - never taken naps in the day but I sleep soundly for a couple of hours every afternoon now.

It's just over 7 months now and it is very gradually improving but I have lost more this year than in the lockdowns.

No way, that would be insane. We did it twice and has left us with huge societal and economic issues.

For those talking about long Covid, there are many viruses with lasting effects, not just Covid, but like Covid they only affect a minority. I got a virus a five years ago, it lasted around a month and the symptoms continued for the best part of 6 months - fatigue, tiredness, muscle aches, a post viral rash that has never gone away, just faded. This is the nature of viruses for some people. Covid is no different.

please don't say there is " no cure" - people do recover, as they do recover from CFS/ME (which I have had for over 30 yrs since getting a viral infection as a teen and many in the CFS community could rightly say well what about us!).The 10% figure is misleading, Long Covid diagnosis is as mixed up and badly managed as CFS has ever been but at least we are finally getting some recognition, services and research funding, a silver lining!!! I wouldn't wish long term illness on anyone but even I know that you can no longer shut down society for a highly transmissible illness for which there is a vaccine, that most people have now been exposed to it and for which there are anti-virals available. I appreciate that I can never understand what life is like for those who do not mount a response to the vaccine but even those people will need to balance the impact on their quality of life of continued isolation.

Is anyone actually calling for a lockdown?

This board is like a scarecrow convention, there are so many straw men.

I don't reckon many people are no. Not in the present tense. But there are a few people on this thread who (claim to) think we might need one if cases get to a certain point or the NHS is overwhelmed, or who have mooted circuit breakers if that happens.

Viruses get weaker . It is the nature of viruses they learn to keep alive by not killing their host.
Yes Covid numbers will go up and yes people will die of Covid over the winter months
Covid will probably kill less people this winter than flu and pneumonia does each year yet we would never have entertained locking down for for flu in 2018 and 2019

No ,but these threads get started on a frequent basis.

I think it is not necessarily true that viruses get weaker. It has been said many times that covid works just fine at the moment as it is so infectious for a long time even before symptoms. So it doesn’t matter whether it kills the host at the end or not

Not on this thread. OP posted to say she didn't want one and then put the isage video clip up which stops before isage say they see lockdowns as harmful.

Hope you recover.

Here is the link to the latest ONS long covid report, based on self-reported (not telepathically reported) symptoms. In addition to summarising the data - e.g. length of time symptoms persisted for, most prevalent symptoms, there are datasets to explore should you wish to. They also set out strengths and limitations of their analysis.

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/bulletins/prevalenceofongoingsymptomsfollowingcoronaviruscovid19infectionintheuk/6october2022

The "we need to do something" crowd just sound insane. You know, the definition of insanity is repeating the same actions but expecting different outcomes.

We have done lockdowns, and sure, they bring numbers down but its temporary. As soon as we get back open they rise again. So we lockdown again and the cycle continued. None of the so called "measures" actually made any difference, long term, to covid other than vaccines.

Surely we should be avoiding lockdowns given the state of the country's finances and instead offering better financial packages and support to the vulnerable.

As for Long Covid. I got Long Glandular fever and it wiped out most of my twenties so I DO have experience in post viral symptoms and Long Covid isnt unique except for its status as having symptoms after 4 weeks. I've had colds that have lasted longer than that!

Whether or not there will be any more lockdowns (or, IN SPITE OF THEM), there will be more pandemics. You can take that to the bank. Lots of epidemiologists are saying that, and maybe one of these days we will look back and reminisce that we got off EASY with Covid. The next ones may be far worse, so get used to it, folks.

No, it's not unreasonable to ask that. I think the answer to the question is that no one knows. It would be very unpopular to say the least. I would comply, but surely thousands would not and the police would probably revolt against enforcing something that society did not support.

I don't think I said Covid shouldn't be taken seriously. We're in a very different place with it now though, compared to 2020, when we had no defenses against it. Lock down was the right thing then, however reluctant the government was to do it.
I was in Shielding throughout as an ECV person. I was lucky 8n that I didn't catch either Alpha or Delta, because I have no doubt that either could easily have killed me. When I had Omicron, I was triple vaccinated and I had 'mild' symptoms. Nevertheless, it still led to a chest infection that took several weeks and courses of antibiotics to shift.

I haven't had any Covid or flu vaccines and don't plan on having any in the future either. I just avoid situations where there are large groups and I use public transport during the quietest times, usually with a mask if I think it necessary.

some people just love doom and gloom and just cannot let it go. You want some restrictions? Pay for them from your own pockets, not from taxpayers coffers. Enough is enough

some people just love doom and gloom and just cannot let it go. You want some restrictions? Pay for them from your own pockets, not from taxpayers coffers. Enough is enough

Generally people who want restrictions (usually masks and isolation rather than lockdown at this point) are oblivious to the costs and, if acknowledged at all, expect other people to bear them.

Agree, it’s sad how politicians can brainwash masses, I’ve supported a short 3 weeks first lockdown but after that everything stopped making any sense tbh. After almost 3 years, we have learned masks don’t work, even ff2 ones which were the law in Germany - didn’t bring their numbers down, you have an older family member/friend? Stay away from them, what’s the problem? Vaccines are not recommended in many countries for many group ages now, more and more Pharma companies own docs are being released.
re long covid - yes there were always been post viral syndromes, kids of people struggled, but no one used this for scaremongering a wider population. Demand a full blood test from your gp - check your blood, etc. it’s NHS who are putting us down too, I’m not talking about individuals, as a huge monster monopoly creature who hasnt been working properly for decades now