I'm triple jabbed so why am I so ill?

[whatisheupto]

I know covid vaccinations don't stop you contracting the virus or passing it on.

I've had Covid for a week. I'm not awfully, awfully ill. But I'm pretty ill and just when I thought I was feeling slightly on the mend, I now seem to be going into the tiredness phase where everything is exhausting.

If I hadn't had the vaccines would I most likely have been much more ill? Or is it that I've caught a strain that the vaccines were never going to work against?

Can't help wondering why I'm feeling so crap when I've had all 3 jabs.

Since Omicron became the dominant variant, you are more likely to catch it, and be hospitalised with it if you are double vaccinated.

Yes. Everybody is more likely to catch the more transmissible omicron variant.

Double jabbed, you say. Hence the boosters.

[quote theusuall]@PurpleDaisies the data is from the PHS report

[[https://publichealthscotland.scot/media/11223/22-01-19-covid19-winter]]publicationn_report.pdf[/quote]
I feel like I’m being gaslit here.
Those graphs you posted earlier are not in that report. Can you point to the specific page that those graphs appear?

@Tealightsandd you are more likely to catch it single jabbed, double jabbed, and boosted.

Hospitalisations for boosted do look better yes, but you can see a trend as the weeks go by (and omi fully takes over) where unjagged hosps are going down and boosted are going up. Probably because the boosters were given to the elderly / most vulnerable some time ago (sadly).

However, I'm sure there is some logical explanation for this and the countless doctors / scientists / experts who warned about this exact scenario happening if we rolled out mass vaccination in the middle of a pandemic for people who really didn't need it (instead of focusing on elderly/ vulnerable) are wrong and definitely not being proved right...

Ok I’ve found the table. You must have made the graphs yourself @theusuall

You clearly didn’t read the page prior to the table explaining in great detail why those figures shouldn’t be used to assess vaccine effectiveness.

@PurpleDaisies Sooooo tealights can post a headline article from some obscure website saying 97% of hospitalisations in switzerland are unvaccinated but I can't post the Public Health Scotland report showing that isn't the case here?

Okay 👍🏻

Are we still going with the Pfizer 95% / 0.7% figure from the original trial?

I'm triple jabbed. Had it last week and in November. Was pretty ill in November. Not too bad now. I think the jab is a load of bollocks now

Having said that my friend hasn't had the jabs and had Covid last week too and was really ill. She said it wasn't because of the jab though

It's not an obscure website. It's a English language Swiss publication.

The article is regarding a study by (not obscure) Zurich University.

There is a HUGE distinction between the unvaccinated and uninfected and those unvaccinated who have had covid aka have had an immunological response. The unvaccinated are TWO distinct groups, not one all hugging trees.

Watch Dr John Cambelll British dr on YT natural immunity is a really important piece of keeping us safe.

Who here who's coughing up tabloid headlines has actually had their antibodies tested?

[quote theusuall]@PurpleDaisies Sooooo tealights can post a headline article from some obscure website saying 97% of hospitalisations in switzerland are unvaccinated but I can't post the Public Health Scotland report showing that isn't the case here?

Okay 👍🏻

Are we still going with the Pfizer 95% / 0.7% figure from the original trial? [/quote]
You posted some graphs you’d made yourself as if they had been screen shot from PHS.

I note you’ve ignored my pointing out that before the table there’s a whole page of explanation about why those raw figures can’t be used to determine vaccine effectiveness.

I haven’t read the link tealights posted. It has nothing to do with my opinion of yours.

@Tealightsandd a news website with a massive banner ad (which looks shady AF) that doesn't even link the study versus the actual figures from my own country published by Public Health Scotland....

Listen they're probably both correct, or both wrong, or both meaningless, I don't know, I'm not a scientist. I just don't see how one is fine for an informal discussion on a Mumsnet forum and the other is apparently totally irrelevant.

The study was published by Zurich University.

@PurpleDaisies I got them from an article discussing the report (which linked the report below). If they are wrong that's fair enough but I don't think they are? They just lift the figures from the 4 tables and show them in graph format side by side?

I didn't comment because I know. I've read it. My point is, I was replying to tealights who posted that article which should have all those same caveats as the PHS report about why it's all a pinch of salt.

They held up their article as better than anecdotal evidence, and I made a counter point.

@Tealightsandd

Generally with cancer patients - having to fight Covid as well as cancer reduces chances of survival, and will make them more unwell all round. Obviously there will be some outliers but the majority will be at increased risk.

It's a huge concern that so many vulnerable patients (cancer, and other underlying conditions) are at risk of catching Covid in hospitals. HEPA filters would help.

I'm sorry about your mum's cancer Pinkrose1111 and wish her well

Thank-you for your wishes

[quote theusuall]@PurpleDaisies I got them from an article discussing the report (which linked the report below). If they are wrong that's fair enough but I don't think they are? They just lift the figures from the 4 tables and show them in graph format side by side?

I didn't comment because I know. I've read it. My point is, I was replying to tealights who posted that article which should have all those same caveats as the PHS report about why it's all a pinch of salt.

They held up their article as better than anecdotal evidence, and I made a counter point. [/quote]
From p36 of the report you linked to.

Correction. The University of Zurich Hospital.

Ok so for not obscure. Here's the World Health Organisation.

mobile.twitter.com/drtedros/status/1481716659710742534

The majority of people admitted to hospitals around the 🌍 are unvaccinated. Protecting those most at risk also helps to protect health systems and #healthworkers, which are again under increased strain due to Omicron. We must all do our part to protect them.

First time I caught covid I was March 2020. I still have some symptoms now. I had lung, heart and liver damage.
Second time I caught covid in November 2021, I was double vaccinated, not boostered, I had flu/cold for two weeks.
I’m going to stick with the vaccines, yes I’ve been ill, but nothing like the first time.

@whatisheupto

Aha ye posters accusing me of being nesh. I saw you coming... hence writing: "I'm not awfully, awfully ill. But I'm pretty ill...."

No mention of "seriously ill" in my post @TheFoundation! Feeling really quite rough is exactly right.

Why you didn't expect this is what doesn't make sense. Your vaccinated, you're poorly. That's standard. It's exactly what you'd expect. It's meant to keep the hospitals free, not stop you feeling 'pretty ill'.

Everyone’s different, everyone’s immune is different. When husband and son get colds they are always a lot worse then me and my dd .
Husband had flu jab one year 2 weeks later got really bad flu but didn’t need any medical assistance . Headteacher I know who’s got it at moment day 9 feels absolutely dreadful he can’t describe how bad the fatigue is ..last day for him of isolating tomorrow he’s hoping he improves over weekend and he’s triple jabbed .

I’ve yet to meet someone who’s had omicron and found it a breeze, I know some will have like with delta. I think vaccines hopefully help stop you needing serious medical attention and from what I’ve heard from icu stats that’s seems to be the case .

I have had covid twice. I'm CV and eligible for fourth vaccine.

Pre vaccine - had dangerous complication which caused my BP to rocket and hit come down. Rushed ti hospital and admitted due to risk of heart attack and stroke. Long lasting symptoms with breathlessness, chest pressure and heart rate issues. 7 weeks off work, long covid diagnosed after and was still having long covid issues 15 months later.

Was classed as a moderate illness / mainly due to need for hospital.

Currently have covid, after 3 vaccines (4th was due next month) Been like a very heavy head cold with nasty headache. Ongoing issues with raised heart rate, breathlessness etc but no BP issues (though that's now medicated for) felt pretty poorly til day 6/7 but not dangerously so this time. Had antivirals treatment in day 5. Now on day 8 and turning the corner. Cold like symptoms have lifted, headache is much more manageable. Have some raised heart rate and breathless on exertion but much less and starting to be able to do a bit more now. Expecting to be able to return to work on Monday - day 11 - all being well.

Will be classed as a mild infection this time as no hospital admittance required (antiviral treatment was out patient clinic.)

I don't know if the differences are due to the vaccines or the variant, or a mix. Obviously from day 6 onwards this time the antivirals will have made a difference.

@nocoolnamesleft

So you're not hospitalised? I think we may have different definitions on what constitutes "so ill"?

This is one of the reasons why so many people are surprised when they feel really rotten with covid, despite being told it's a mild illness.

It is perfectly possible to feel really poorly without needing to be in hospital, and until covid came along people didn't seem quite so quick to minimise people's illnesses in this way.

The trouble is a 'mild' infection for covid covers everything from being asymptomatic to being stuck in bed for several days, struggling to move or do much, needing regular medication and having longer term health issues.

My first case of covid was only considered moderate due to needing hospital treatment. That's despite not needing oxygen, drops, etc.

This time round I am still ill. I've still been in bed doing very little for days. I've still been pretty poorly, just less dangerously so.

Officially, you are having a mild case. You have not needed hospital.

I think people don't always realise that 'mild' isn't a synonym for 'trivial', it simply means you didn't require admission. You can still feel really rough.

And yes it's possible that the vaccination has prevented it from being even worse - before the jabs, about 9% of cases were moderate/severe, not is less than 2%. But you might have had a mild cases such as you describe anyhow (most cases are mild).

@Lolamento

Are you going for more boosters?

I certainly will be, based on my own experience. Infact I'll be having my 4th vaccine in about a months time, all being well.

Just like I have regular flu vaccines despite having had a flu infection after a vaccine before now.

“Mild” = “not in hospital”.

I think most people don’t realise that’s what is meant by mild. Of course some get no symptoms or what the general population would call mild symptoms as well, but the medical profession mean “mild” as in “treated at home”.