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Can someone explain to me New Zealand?

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idontknow54789 · 27/01/2022 20:45

Sorry for the ignorance/naivety here but can someone explain to me the reasonings behind such extreme lockdown measures in NZ? At the beginning of the pandemic they're approach was fully accepted but surely now with vaccines and omnicrom being a 'milder' form of covid they have to start setting sense? Is it about the health system? I understand there's a severe lack of ICU beds but is locking down so much really better for health? Can anyone explain it to me please?

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curmudgeonly007 · 28/01/2022 07:19

@TheKeatingFive

24 DAYS 😱

They've become a victim of their early success ironically. They haven't come up with other strategies, they can't back down, they've painted themselves into a corner.

My SIL is out there and no one in the family has seen her or her children for nearly three years, won't for the foreseeable and MIL has two grandchildren now she's never met. Very sad.

I think this it exactly. One of the few good things you can say about the UKs handling has been our moving of tactics and strategies At the beginning of the pandemic, lots of ppl in the this country were holding up NZ as a success story and saying we should be doing the same, now NZ just looks a bit silly, they have plan A and that’s it.
Dontforgetyourbrolly · 28/01/2022 07:20

The PM is a real martyr

Hiyawotcha · 28/01/2022 07:22

My sister in law's parents haven’t seen any of their children or grandchildren since 2019 as all their children are UK based and parents in NZ. They’re elderly and it’s pretty heartbreaking for them all - I feel so bad for them.

emotinium · 28/01/2022 07:23

No, and nor are the extremely tight border controls. NZ supposedly has a higher proportion of its most educated citizens living abroad than any other developed nation. So shutting themselves up for 2 years, with no end in sight, is a huge deal

So their talent can't leave anymore! Makes perfect economic sense, if a bit sneaky! haha

rwalker · 28/01/2022 07:25

There trapped in a glass house people there will only take so much there 2 years in and still massive restrictions .
! outbreak could sweep through them like a wave .

borntobequiet · 28/01/2022 07:26

@Dontforgetyourbrolly

The PM is a real martyr
How dreadful. This is because she postponed her wedding? Not the sort of behaviour we’re used to seeing in a Prime Minister.
emotinium · 28/01/2022 07:29

How dreadful. This is because she postponed her wedding? Not the sort of behaviour we’re used to seeing in a Prime Minister.

Proof if ever it was needed that people will moan about literally anything.

Prime minister ignores rules - gets ripped apart and told to resign
Prime minister follows rules - gets called a martyr

EileenGC · 28/01/2022 07:35

Mumsnet can be a really strange place. 12-18 months ago you had people wishing they lived in XYZ countries with more restrictions. People calling others selfish for getting on a plane to visit their parents at Christmas 2020 (I was apparently going to be responsible for half of Europe’s deaths by doing so Hmm). NZ was the example to follow.

Now NZ has a tyrant as PM, they live imprisoned and those same countries who used to be admired (for lack of a better word), and haven’t got rid of all restrictions - masks and Covid passes included - are in denial and should learn to ‘live with the virus’. When I explain how it works where I live (EU country, not that strict) I’m being told all the measures are overkill and we should be just given ‘freedom’ already.

Posters on MN have been fluctuating in opinions just like that, throughout the pandemic. They’ve followed the ‘UK world-leading X’ narrative when it’s been available, and the rest of their viewpoints have been coming and going.

I find people in real life much less extreme in their views of both NZ and the pandemic in general, so I don’t think this thread represents what the general population in either country feels.

Joystir59 · 28/01/2022 07:36

@Thhhhheeeeelong

Boarders are shut. There is a lottery for very few places to get into the country. Basically you have no chance of getting in even if your family are dying. It's a complete *@uck* up of human rights for the 1 million kiwi citizens based outside of the country.
The word is borders!!! Boarders are people who stay in guest houses, or go body boarding.
Alexandra2001 · 28/01/2022 07:36

@Lolamento

Are people happy with the government about this? Sounds terrible and abusive.
Very few deaths compared to 153k in the uk or :

UK 2265 per million

NZ 10 per million

Who has is terrible and abusive? bare in mind also the terrible toll CV has had on folk in CH's and who died alone because CV was so widespread.

NZ has done what it can do to protect its citizens, even now our 7 day death rolling average is 243 per day.

PinkTonic · 28/01/2022 07:37

@Gingerodgers

Errrr, omicron is here. We are just trying to slow the spread, flatten the curve. Some of you seem a tad over invested.
People are invested, not over invested, because they can’t see their families. People also tend to have an opinion on how other countries are doing things. I certainly notice when a supposedly liberal democracy introduces draconian restrictions the like of which we’ve only seen in China. You seem a tad over sensitive.
Porcupineintherough · 28/01/2022 07:39

Massive restrictions @rwalker? I think theyve had very few restrictions at all. Other than no international travel my friends have been living pretty much as normal whilst we've been locked down, shops shut, restaurants at half capacity, schools closed, entertainment cancelled etc

Slinkymalinky03 · 28/01/2022 07:39

@Queuing4Fergs

I am so bloody angry with NZ's Labour govt. They had a golden opportunity to prepare for a safe re-opening for 2 years, but they fucked it; took too long to vaccinate, didn't increase ICI capacity and didn't buy LFTs.

As a result, I'm locked out of my country with no chance of getting home to see my 85 year old father, in ill health, before he dies.

Of course, if I was in The Wiggles I could visit and put on concerts.

Jacinda has completely lost her fucking mind. And her heart.

My family feel exactly the same. So many failings and still no clue how to move forward.
bluetongue · 28/01/2022 07:40

@JackieWeaversZoomAc

I have lots of friends and family in New Zealand. Most people there are completely frightened of Covid still.

The attitude is polar opposite from that here in the UK. I find it all quite bizarre especially as they have high levels of vaccination.

I'm now seeing a lot of people in nz saying they won't even leave the house until they have the booster jab.

I’m in Australia (South Australia) and there is fear here as well. We went from zero Covid to opening the borders to let Covid in back on November 2021 and some people still think the borders shouldn’t have been opened and we’d be living a Covid free life.

I still get people lecturing me about children ending up in ICU and the dangers of long Covid. Once people know others that have contracted Omicron and only been mildly ill they are starting to get more relaxed.

Bagamoyo1 · 28/01/2022 07:45

@Frikonastick

The NZ government has made their choices based on how terribly stretched the existing infrastructure in NZ is.

It’s not about a team of 5 million, or being kind, or patriotism or pride or anything else.

I live in a small seaside town of 131 000 people. My local doctors office has 10 000 patients registered. If even 10% of that one practice in my small town was to require hospitalisation, that would take up the entire north island of NZ capacity.

If the death rate was to increase (for any reason, even a large disaster such an earthquake with high mortality) by less than 10% nationwide, we don’t have enough morgues.

Even if people don’t need intensive care, but require ambulances, NZ has no facility to manage that uptick. Ambulances here are not free, and rely on donations to run.

And aside from all that, we don’t have the people, the medical staff, to manage any sort of big medical event.

When White Island erupted and there were 50 patients (I think) that was enough to overwhelm the four closest hospitals.

The NZ government is literally doing what they are because any other direction lies disaster.

That they have done almost entirely nothing in these last 2 years to solve any of these issues is quite frankly, appalling. But I don’t see how they could have done anything differently to begin with.

Perhaps if they allowed people into the country it might help. Many of my doctor friends worked in NZ, it’s a very popular destination for medics. I think they’ve shot themselves in the foot. It’s a bit like the UK and Brexit in a way.
Bagamoyo1 · 28/01/2022 07:49

@Blinky21

160k needless deaths in the UK. Know where I'd rather live!
Me too. The UK.
Catch32 · 28/01/2022 07:56

Borders aside, didn't the people of NZ live a fairly restriction free existence for the past 2 years while we were in repeated extreme lockdowns? We also have one of the highest death rates in Europe - all those people who died aren't coming back just because we've now managed a relatively successful vaccine rollout. And we still have 300+ people dying every day from it. The UK places far too cheap a price on the lives of the elderly and vulnerable. I'm not suggesting we continue to live under extreme restrictions here, but just because NZ has imposed some moderate measures to flatten their own curve, I don't understand why people are up in arms. It's like we have the memories of goldfish about our own disastrous covid journey.

oceanskye · 28/01/2022 08:00

I have family in the UK, they spent many, many more months under restrictions than I have here in NZ. Yet suddenly, just because the UK has ended restrictions, any other country with them is insane, draconian, a dictatorship, etc?

kateg27 · 28/01/2022 08:01

@Catch32 I think you find that we have 300+ people dying per day, with it. Not from it!

boobot1 · 28/01/2022 08:02

@idontknow54789

Sorry for the ignorance/naivety here but can someone explain to me the reasonings behind such extreme lockdown measures in NZ? At the beginning of the pandemic they're approach was fully accepted but surely now with vaccines and omnicrom being a 'milder' form of covid they have to start setting sense? Is it about the health system? I understand there's a severe lack of ICU beds but is locking down so much really better for health? Can anyone explain it to me please?
They're completely insane, only explanation.
Catch32 · 28/01/2022 08:04

True @kateg27 I stand corrected.

Still though, not great.

madisonbridges · 28/01/2022 08:06

@oceanskye

I have family in the UK, they spent many, many more months under restrictions than I have here in NZ. Yet suddenly, just because the UK has ended restrictions, any other country with them is insane, draconian, a dictatorship, etc?
I think most people were justing ask what NZs endgame was going to be. Restrictions are to be expected but most western countries can go on holiday. I've got friends cruising round the Caribbean as we speak. It's just interesting to hear when NZ thinks it'll be rejoining the rest of the world. That's all.
SquirrelG · 28/01/2022 08:06

Well said @Catch32.

There is a lot of nonsense being spouted, such as "massive restrictions", claims that "most people" are completely terrified of covid and a lot of people won't leave the house until they have a booster (I've never heard of anyone saying that), and words like "terrible and abusive".

Slinkymalinky03 · 28/01/2022 08:07

@oceanskye

I have family in the UK, they spent many, many more months under restrictions than I have here in NZ. Yet suddenly, just because the UK has ended restrictions, any other country with them is insane, draconian, a dictatorship, etc?
Jacinda Ardern still has no way out. She admitted her 'zero covid' policy failed and is now flailing around with no viable exit strategy and a highly contagious variant to deal with.
nettie434 · 28/01/2022 08:10

The thing that has been puzzling me is how the omicron variant actually entered New Zealand when entry restrictions are so strict.

I am sorry for people who have not been able to visit family. I think the USA had the fairest policy in that until travel restrictions were lifted last November, US citizens could enter the country but tourists/business travellers could not.

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