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Can someone explain to me New Zealand?

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idontknow54789 · 27/01/2022 20:45

Sorry for the ignorance/naivety here but can someone explain to me the reasonings behind such extreme lockdown measures in NZ? At the beginning of the pandemic they're approach was fully accepted but surely now with vaccines and omnicrom being a 'milder' form of covid they have to start setting sense? Is it about the health system? I understand there's a severe lack of ICU beds but is locking down so much really better for health? Can anyone explain it to me please?

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Thhhhheeeeelong · 27/01/2022 22:22

@SportsMother it's not patriotism I have elderly parents and family still in NZ. It goes a bit beyond feeling actually and genuine concern about lack of access should I need to enter the country.

treeflowercat · 27/01/2022 22:28

Didn't they open up some sort of travel corridor with Oz for a while? What happened to that?

Given Australia's Covid levels have exploded to U.K. levels (proportionally) since Christmas, they must have closed them.

treeflowercat · 27/01/2022 22:29

The red restrictions don't seem to be nearly enough to stop Omicron.., Look at Germany and Holland - lockdown did little, and they didn't have a totally Covid "naive" population.

MauisLeftNipple · 27/01/2022 22:31

The 24 day isolation is for contacts of positive cases. Yes, this is INSANE. Positive cases only need to isolate for 14 days at this time, however the govt anticipates reducing this period as cases rise. This is also nonsensical. Plus, if they can't guarantee people will be able to test then they are relying on people to isolate based on symptoms alone. We have highly vaccinated population (5-11 years old vaccinations started last week), many will be asymptomatic. It will be interesting to see how this all pans out.

I lived in the UK until last year and it very much feels like March 2020, except vaccination levels are good, so hopefully we will ride this out without too many casualties.

MauisLeftNipple · 27/01/2022 22:37

In regards to gatherings, there are slightly different rules depending on whether everyone is vaccinated. I'm not asking people coming to my son's birthday party (at our house) to show their vaccine pass, in which case I am limited to hosting 25 people.

CovidCorvid · 27/01/2022 22:38

Are people getting furlough pay if they’re self employed and isolating? I read lots of bars, etc have gone bust?

TheKeatingFive · 27/01/2022 22:39

24 DAYS 😱

They've become a victim of their early success ironically. They haven't come up with other strategies, they can't back down, they've painted themselves into a corner.

My SIL is out there and no one in the family has seen her or her children for nearly three years, won't for the foreseeable and MIL has two grandchildren now she's never met. Very sad.

JustFrustrated · 27/01/2022 22:42

I was talking to my sister about this the other day.

Her wedding has been postponed, and it's looking likely we won't meet my soon to be born niece/nephew any time soon.

I don't think the citizens are happy from what's she saying.

And businesses are failing left right and centre, those that weren't...are starting to. Coupled with the high cost of living, it looks like NZ is looking down the barrel of a very loaded gun.

Queuing4Fergs · 27/01/2022 22:42

I am so bloody angry with NZ's Labour govt. They had a golden opportunity to prepare for a safe re-opening for 2 years, but they fucked it; took too long to vaccinate, didn't increase ICI capacity and didn't buy LFTs.

As a result, I'm locked out of my country with no chance of getting home to see my 85 year old father, in ill health, before he dies.

Of course, if I was in The Wiggles I could visit and put on concerts.

Jacinda has completely lost her fucking mind. And her heart.

Hotcuppatea · 27/01/2022 22:46

I believe that NZ has very few ICU beds. This is a factor in the decision to keep going down the elimination route. I really feel for all the expats that haven't been able to see friends and family in so long. That feels very cruel to me.

Frikonastick · 27/01/2022 22:46

The NZ government has made their choices based on how terribly stretched the existing infrastructure in NZ is.

It’s not about a team of 5 million, or being kind, or patriotism or pride or anything else.

I live in a small seaside town of 131 000 people. My local doctors office has 10 000 patients registered. If even 10% of that one practice in my small town was to require hospitalisation, that would take up the entire north island of NZ capacity.

If the death rate was to increase (for any reason, even a large disaster such an earthquake with high mortality) by less than 10% nationwide, we don’t have enough morgues.

Even if people don’t need intensive care, but require ambulances, NZ has no facility to manage that uptick. Ambulances here are not free, and rely on donations to run.

And aside from all that, we don’t have the people, the medical staff, to manage any sort of big medical event.

When White Island erupted and there were 50 patients (I think) that was enough to overwhelm the four closest hospitals.

The NZ government is literally doing what they are because any other direction lies disaster.

That they have done almost entirely nothing in these last 2 years to solve any of these issues is quite frankly, appalling. But I don’t see how they could have done anything differently to begin with.

Thhhhheeeeelong · 27/01/2022 22:50

@Frikonastick exactly. Why haven't they worked on a plan to take hospital overload?

Frikonastick · 27/01/2022 22:51

The closed borders are a torture.

My husband has terminal cancer. We have not been able to have any family come, let alone friends. No support.

It is inhumane.

MarshaBradyo · 27/01/2022 22:51

@treeflowercat

Didn't they open up some sort of travel corridor with Oz for a while? What happened to that?

Given Australia's Covid levels have exploded to U.K. levels (proportionally) since Christmas, they must have closed them.

I don’t think it lasted that long in the end

And blimey at pp 24 days!

Frikonastick · 27/01/2022 22:52

@Thhhhheeeeelong, I don’t know, there is literally no excuse

Thhhhheeeeelong · 27/01/2022 22:53

@Frikonastick I so sorry. It's utterly inhumane.

ghislaine · 27/01/2022 22:55

Friends in NZ say that the hard line is being driven by the Maori caucus to protect their communities which have the highest level of non-vaccination. The thing I don’t understand is why this response now. Omicron is milder than other variants and isn’t the population 94% double-vacced?

MarshaBradyo · 27/01/2022 22:59

@ghislaine

Friends in NZ say that the hard line is being driven by the Maori caucus to protect their communities which have the highest level of non-vaccination. The thing I don’t understand is why this response now. Omicron is milder than other variants and isn’t the population 94% double-vacced?
I think because it’s the first time it’s not containable for them

But I don’t get the 24 days why so long

padsi1975 · 27/01/2022 23:06

How is their economy doing? Feel for the citizens who can't get home.

Frikonastick · 27/01/2022 23:07

The 24 days is to try slow the spread down so that the systems can cope.

MarshaBradyo · 27/01/2022 23:09

@Frikonastick

The 24 days is to try slow the spread down so that the systems can cope.
Are people infectious still after that length of time?
Frikonastick · 27/01/2022 23:09

The economy is a weird one, my industry has boomed, and our unemployment rate is 3% I think?

Frikonastick · 27/01/2022 23:11

No, I think the hope is that in that time everyone in your family will catch it without leaving the house.

MauisLeftNipple · 27/01/2022 23:13

It's not driven by a Māori caucus. It is as Frikonastick described.

24 days is essentially to allow time for it to spread to one's nearest and dearest. They are anticipating a long incubation period.

VanCleefArpels · 27/01/2022 23:15

It’s about the ICU capacity partly - family member in NZ said about 200 beds in the whole country only, something like that. But they can’t believe the testing that’s been going on over here, and their financial support has been minimal. They are frustrated by travel bans. Yet Ardern is still v popular 🤷🏻‍♀️