Self Isolation going to be scrapped

[Overthebow]

www.reuters.com/world/uk/uks-self-isolation-law-set-be-scrapped-telegraph-2022-01-16/

So that’s it then, the pandemic really is going to end in the UK in a couple of months time. I’ve never been so happy to read a news article!

What an arsehole Boris is. Shocking decision to appease the right wing, who are no doubt squeezing him for concessions in return for loyalty. No surprise van Tam left.

My DS is nearly 2. There’s no vaccine available anyway

Yes there is.

given that the advice has been that it has marginal benefit for teens

That's total nonsense.

Yes there is.

I don't think vaccines for under fives have been approved anywhere

And the Prime Minister Johnson is self isolating in hiding at this time because a family member has had Covid.

Clearly one rule for him...

@Yumperwumpee
There’s certainly no vaccine available for 2 year olds in the UK and so far as I’m aware no plans to vaccinate this age group.

The JCVIs opinion on vaccinating children seemed to be that there was a marginal benefit for teens? I’m not aware that that stance has changed.

It's very difficult to ascertain if children have developed brain fog - loss of concentration and memory. Brain damage is irreversible so this could effect their educational attainment and their behaviour in the long term.

2 years is a long time to put our lives on hold and it's time for us to start making decisions for ourselves and take some responsibility

Unless you are cev or in a job such as healthcare and teaching when you cant take responsibility for yourself as other peoples actions impact directly on you!

Glad you can make decisions for your own safely. Many people can’t make the same decisions. There is no choice.

@placemats

Oh and currently there are over a million people with long covid in the UK.

That's a serious statistic.

Can you tell us where you got that statistic from, and what definitions and evidence they used? I only ask because it sounds like the most recent ONS one, which ridiculously defined anyone self reporting even mild symptoms like a lingering cough 4 weeks after infection as having long covid. With a definition that broad I was amazed it was only 1.2 million.

I certainly think long covid is likely to exist, post viral symptoms are a definite thing so it's to be expected. But we need to be aware of some pretty significant limitations in quantifying the numbers.

From the ONS.

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/bulletins/prevalenceofongoingsymptomsfollowingcoronaviruscovid19infectionintheuk/6january2022

@StCharlotte

Is anyone testing negative on day 5/6/7 though? My colleague was still testing positive when she returned to work on Day 12 (after a weekend).

Ds strong positive day 6, very light line day 7 lunchtime and negative completely by bedtime.

From the ONS.

Self reported data which is very limited in its usefulness

So loss of concentration and memory is damage to the frontal lobes of the brain.

The prefrontal cortex plays an important part in memory, intelligence, concentration, temper and personality.

'So IMO the law is just catching up with current behaviour'

Yes the current and past behaviour of No 10!

[quote placemats]From the ONS.

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/bulletins/prevalenceofongoingsymptomsfollowingcoronaviruscovid19infectionintheuk/6january2022[/quote]
I suspected as much. As I say, have a look at the definitions they're using to get that million plus figure. Minor symptoms after 4 weeks is simply not meaningful.

Self reported data which is very limited in its usefulness

Many people self report data every time they go to the doctor.

@placemats

And the Prime Minister Johnson is self isolating in hiding at this time because a family member has had Covid.

Clearly one rule for him...

I wonder if he's getting sick pay...

Many people self report data every time they go to the doctor.

But the doctor doesn't simply diagnose them based purely on what they say.

@Yumperwumpee

My DS is nearly 2. There’s no vaccine available anyway

Yes there is.

given that the advice has been that it has marginal benefit for teens

That's total nonsense.

Has any vaccine been approved for under 5? Which one are you thinking of

@placemats
The biggest issue with this long covid data seems to me that it doesn’t prove causation I.e there is no comparison with prevalence of these symptoms in the general population. The ONS identity this as a limitation of the data in a previous statement.

If asked if I am fatigued right now I would say yes because I am pregnant and have an active toddler. I had covid relatively recently. Do I therefore have long covid? You need to know what percentage of the population have these symptoms in general and compare that control group to the people who have had covid recently.

That also isn’t to say that it’s not a real condition. I’ve no doubt it is very debilitating for some people. But I don’t think you can draw meaningful conclusions on prevalence from this data.

@SnoopyLovesLucy

I think this is a bit of a 'non' thread.

All that is changing is that in the spring- so we're talking march-April, the law will change. It was still be a recommendation to isolate if you are positive, but not legally enforceable.

That seems reasonable to me.

At the moment people have to isolate BUT how do we know they are anyway? No one is policing that. And PCRs are no longer being used, just self-administered LF tests.

So IMO the law is just catching up with current behaviour.

This all may be or may not true, but for me and others on this thread the real issue is the timing of this change being put in the spotlight now (even though it may be "old" news). There is a reason for that.

Anyone care to bet that when Johnson finally finishes cowering behind his sofa it will be Look plebs! Waffle piffle defeated pandemic! Great British Spirit! No more isolating! No more masks! Waffle piffle sacked the partying officials. Waffle piffle wasn't poor little me. Let's all move on.

@pkeasegetdressed

To everyone saying we need to get on with it - please remember it could be you, your child, your father, your sister your husband who develops LONG COVID.

And when you can’t pay your £££ mortgage because you’re too ill to work, when you can’t clean your own house … you might recall mention of a long term disablement Long Covid. I’m hoping it’s NOT long term but 18 months in I’m still trying to get my life back…

We are living off savings. They won’t last forever.

The more people who get Covid- the higher the Long Covid rates…

Could be me or anyone I know who has a car crash tomorrow, or a nasty life changing fall, or gets attacked by someone known or unknown or a thousand different things. Long covid (ie symptoms that seriously affect your quality of life beyond the 2 weeks of normal covid) is rare. Not that you would know it because everyone who has continued to have a sniffle or cough or taste disturbance 4 weeks on is considered to have ‘long covid’ Sorry no. That’s not a good enough reason to keep the country off work / school. It’s pure guess work. No actual concrete data what so ever. Only fear and anxiety and a bunch of anecdotes from those unfortunate to actually have more serious post viral problems.

He will do anything he can to save himself and his party at this point.

Though yeah I think it'll actually happen that way. This morning DD and I were discussing how much things have changed in a year.
Remember when you were a contact of someone with Covid and had to SI?
DDs best mate has covid, no SI needed for her contacts until they get a positive test themselves..

But then as it becomes more endemic, the severity of infection lowers in most of the population.

@ClaudineClare I think if recent stories tell us anything, Johnson has certainly NOT been cowering behind his sofa. Quite the opposite 🤣🤣

Brilliant news. Can't come soon enough! Children who get it have it so mild and some don't even have symptoms but yet they're off school and missing out on their education for nothing. Bring it on I say!

@TheKeatingFive

Many people self report data every time they go to the doctor.

But the doctor doesn't simply diagnose them based purely on what they say.

They don't diagnose cancer either.

Let's put it this way. An airplane pilot has had Covid and is suffering from fatigue as a consequence, would you be happy for them to fly the plane?