Self Isolation going to be scrapped

[Overthebow]

www.reuters.com/world/uk/uks-self-isolation-law-set-be-scrapped-telegraph-2022-01-16/

So that’s it then, the pandemic really is going to end in the UK in a couple of months time. I’ve never been so happy to read a news article!

@Theunamedcat

I had covid Christmas it wasn't mild for me at all I could barely remember my name if I had got behind the wheel of the car to go to work I would have killed people myself included

I'm triple jabbed

You lot are fucking talking bollocks saying its just a sniffle

@Theunamedcat - sorry you were so poorly but people aren’t talking bollocks saying that for many it is ‘just a sniffle’ and lots of people don’t have any symptoms. Obviously if you are really ill you stay off work but if you feel ok you go in. Ending isolation rules doesn’t mean people will be forced to go to work if they are not well enough.

@Yumperwumpee but what are people meant to do ? Take their kids out of school and quit there jobs?

Well quite.

Or maintain a permanent state of panic?

How would that help anyone exactly?

Or maintain a permanent state of panic?

Yes, because that's what I've said. I've said everyone should be in a permanent state of panic.

Honestly, the lack of nuance during this pandemic has been really telling.

It's the way we are all heading

www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220111-omicron-pushing-covid-out-of-pandemic-phase-eu-agency

"With the increase of immunity in population and with Omicron, there will be a lot of natural immunity taking place on top of vaccination we will be fast moving towards a scenario that will be closer to endemicity," he added.

Yes, because that's what I've said. I've said everyone should be in a permanent state of panic.

You've said you're surprised they aren't more 'concerned' so I'm wondering how you think this concern should be appropriately signalled to you?

I think this is a bit of a 'non' thread.

All that is changing is that in the spring- so we're talking march-April, the law will change. It was still be a recommendation to isolate if you are positive, but not legally enforceable.

That seems reasonable to me.

At the moment people have to isolate BUT how do we know they are anyway? No one is policing that. And PCRs are no longer being used, just self-administered LF tests.

So IMO the law is just catching up with current behaviour.

You've said you're surprised they aren't more 'concerned' so I'm wondering how you think this concern should be appropriately signalled to you

Personally I'd expect more anger at the government for advocating a let it rip policy in primary schools, and more parents lobbying for their primary aged children to be vaccinated.

I'm triple jabbed, I'm not concerned for me. I'm concerned for my five year old child.

To everyone saying we need to get on with it - please remember it could be you, your child, your father, your sister your husband who develops LONG COVID.

And when you can’t pay your £££ mortgage because you’re too ill to work, when you can’t clean your own house … you might recall mention of a long term disablement Long Covid. I’m hoping it’s NOT long term but 18 months in I’m still trying to get my life back…

We are living off savings. They won’t last forever.

The more people who get Covid- the higher the Long Covid rates…

Surely Johnson would not play with the nation's health in order to save his own skin?

Ah. Aha haha. Hahaha haha.

@Iggly

Does the government genuinely think the pandemic will largely be over by Spring or is this part of Operation Save Big Dog? Surely Johnson would not play with the nation's health in order to save his own skin.

He would. He wanted to let the bodies pile high originally.

This

It’s really sad that people will have to choose between doing the right thing morally and putting food on the table.

Personally I'd expect more anger at the government for advocating a let it rip policy in primary schools

I've never been particularly convinced that addition measures would make much difference.

more parents lobbying for their primary aged children to be vaccinated.

I expect it will come in time.

Any child I've known that's had covid has had very mild symptoms or none at all. Now I appreciate there's the odd serious case, but that's true of any virus.

If this was a virus that affected only children, at the severity it affects them currently, it wouldn't even have registered with the public consciousness. It would just be another virus doing the rounds. I certainly don't get exercised about every virus going round so I'm not going to panic about long term what ifs with this one.

If you get dizzy, suffer from brain fog, headaches, loss of sense of smell and taste with covid infection then this is evidence of brain damage and the effects will last long.

What is needed is better financial support for those self isolating.

But this government would rather spaff 37billion up against a wall than support its workers.

CEV people require extra help which should not be the responsibility of families and friends.

I also believe that there will be a more engineered Liverpool pathway treatment for elderly patients with dementia.

Any child I've known that's had covid has had very mild symptoms or none at all. Now I appreciate there's the odd serious case, but that's true of any virus.

There are now links that Epstein barr virus, mono, causes MS - multiple sclerosis. But you know, there are only just 130,000 people with MS in the UK. So, well shrugs shoulders -

Fantastic! The pandemic is over because Boris has announced it to be so.

Oh and currently there are over a million people with long covid in the UK.

That's a serious statistic.

Any child I've known that's had covid has had very mild symptoms or none at all.

Yes, now. What about the unknown long term effects? Polio was very mild for most children. Its effects only became known later.

I certainly don't get exercised about every virus going round so I'm not going to panic about long term what ifs with this one

Yes obviously not because the long term effects of other viruses have been well documented.

There are now links that Epstein barr virus, mono, causes MS - multiple sclerosis.

Look there are all kinds of potential health issues that we could be worried about if we want to drive ourselves crazy. Knock yourself out if that's your bag. I think the best thing I can do for myself and my children is focus on general health, fitness, nutrition, which we do.

Shit, I hope my kid's school doesn't totally close again.
While others declare the pandemic over, I know plenty of people who have spent a week or more in bed with the virus. And it was this that closed the school before, not self-isolation.
Still, we are in a poor area, so no one really gives a shit about us.

@Yumperwumpee
I think the issue is that there is nothing which could realistically be done to stop young children ever getting covid during their childhood. My DS is nearly 2. There’s no vaccine available anyway. If there was I’d consider it but given that the advice has been that it has marginal benefit for teens I doubt it’s going to be beneficial overall for toddlers. So the choice is either that we live life normally and he gets covid (again) at some point or we basically shut him away potentially for years. A middle ground of a few mitigation measures isn’t going to stop children who are young now ever getting covid.

We don’t know the long term affects of covid for certain but it has been very well studied over the period it has been around and there’s nothing which really worries me about it in the context of young children. I’m much more worried about DS’s development being affected by all the restrictions.

I'm happy to wait and see what things are looking like in the spring. If things are looking positive, great!! My concern though, is that this will be seen as a promise - like Johnson's "irreversible" lifting of restrictions, and they won't back up again if the shit is hurtling towards the fan.

Boris always was a bit of a King Cnut.

My 67 year old friend, NHS nurse who works part time now on the nursing bank had to do a 12 hour shift yesterday due to lack of staff. It's not over yet.

What about the unknown long term effects?

I'm not wasting my time worrying about them. You can do what you want.

As a nation I think we'd be much better off focusing our energies on our general health.