Self Isolation going to be scrapped

[Overthebow]

www.reuters.com/world/uk/uks-self-isolation-law-set-be-scrapped-telegraph-2022-01-16/

So that’s it then, the pandemic really is going to end in the UK in a couple of months time. I’ve never been so happy to read a news article!

Surely Johnson would not play with the nation's health in order to save his own skin?

Of course he would. There’s only one person Johnson gives a shit about and that isn’t any of us. He’s already responsible for thousands of deaths by not listening to scientific advice and locking down sooner. He’d do anything to keep his job. A decent person would’ve resigned by now.

Good. I've spent the best part of two years worried I'd be told to self isolate.

That would mean having no money whatsoever coming in (not even SSP - you can't get it if you're self employed) but still having to pay all my business overheads and household bills.

I can't believe that rancid burp of a man would put more lives at risk to save his own skin

😂 rancid burp!

I so hope this is true - if I don't have to see the words "tested positive" with a sad face emoji ever again in my life it'll be heaven!

@user313213521

Good. I've spent the best part of two years worried I'd be told to self isolate.

That would mean having no money whatsoever coming in (not even SSP - you can't get it if you're self employed) but still having to pay all my business overheads and household bills.

The issue is the lack of decent cover for self isolation, not self isolating in itself.

@BashStreetKid

Why are people so worried? Everyone returning to work says it's was fine, just a cold. They were bored!

So how come the death rate went up?

I know a number of people who felt very ill indeed, including my sister who was basically knocked out feeling dreadful for well over a week and didn't have any Christmas as a result.

The death rate always goes up at this time of year.

Is anyone testing negative on day 5/6/7 though? My colleague was still testing positive when she returned to work on Day 12 (after a weekend).

Ooh just seen we're in page 4 - sorry if it's already been asked and answered.

@Theunamedcat

I had covid Christmas it wasn't mild for me at all I could barely remember my name if I had got behind the wheel of the car to go to work I would have killed people myself included

I'm triple jabbed

You lot are fucking talking bollocks saying its just a sniffle

Some people die of tonsillitis but it’s still a mild illness for the vast majority. You’ve done a study with a sample size of one.

People have week+ long bouts of illness for a wide range if things that cannot be vaccinated against. Glandular fever, shingles, pneumonia, noro, to name but a few.

Omicron variant is presenting no worse data than any of these

The issue is the lack of decent cover for self isolation, not self isolating in itself.

To some extent you're right - but given the government has been ignoring that issue throughout, despite it being raised by everyone from SAGE to Labour - I'm just glad to see the back of the concept.

It is completely illogical that they were willing to pay healthy people to stay home on furlough, but aren't willing to pay infectious people to stay home.

1. A lot of people don't test and isolate anyway and never have. I know this will be news to a lot of MNers who have been cowering behind their sofas since March 2020, but for many people (not me, I hasten to add), they've just carried on as normal throughout. Because if you're working in the kind of job that cannot be done from home, that requires you to be in close proximity to others, that does not provide you with PPE, and that does not pay sick pay if you don't turn up, then you've never had any choice in the matter.

2. Throughout the pandemic the public have made their own decisions about their own personal safety and adjusted their behaviour accordingly, regardless of the govt's requirements, which have often been applied retroactively. I expect the govt is taking this into account and knows the public will continue look out for themselves, taking into account their own personal level of risk, in future.

“Big Dog”

My DH is triple jabbed and wears a mask where he is supposed to, he still caught it.

So have many people - but if it's mild, do what?

People need to accept that covid will be with us for years!

We need to get vaccinated but we also have to accept some risks, because our lives and the economy need to keep going!

Sorry that should have read 'so what'

Most importantly, the hospitals are just about coping, despite covid and despite normal winter pressures.

So by Spring there's really no excuse to slow down the spread if hospitals are managing.

Yeah until the next variant comes along that's more transmissible AND more virulent. I don't have any hope that things will be totally normal for years yet tbh. Wish it weren't so but there you are.

I know this will be news to a lot of MNers who have been cowering behind their sofas since March 2020

This kind of lazy take is so fucking boring. No one has been "cowering" behind their sofa.

I know a number of people who felt very ill indeed, including my sister who was basically knocked out feeling dreadful for well over a week and didn't have any Christmas as a result.

To this, I say 'So what?'. She'd have felt bloody awful if she'd caught flu or norovirus or any number of other nasty winter viruses, none of which require her, by law, to stay at home. Yet they too kill the elderly, the sick and the medically vulnerable. Why should Covid be different, now that we have vaccines and medicines which prevent most people from becoming seriously ill, ending up in hospital, or dying and which for many is either asymptomatic or no worse than a cold?

For me, the really surprising thing is that people are happy to have their unvaccinated young children infected with a novel virus. We have got literally no idea - none - what the long term effects are. It's already been shown that covid (yes, omicron too) is a disease that affects the heart, lungs, and brain. It's not like flu, it's not like a cold - it's like SARS.

Polio caused a mild infection for most people and we didn't know the effects for years. Same with HIV.

I'm really surprised more people aren't concerned about the long term effects on their kids. No one seems to be even considering it.

@Yumperwumpee

I know this will be news to a lot of MNers who have been cowering behind their sofas since March 2020

This kind of lazy take is so fucking boring. No one has been "cowering" behind their sofa.

^this

@Yumperwumpee but what are people meant to do ? Take their kids out of school and quit there jobs ?

@Yumperwumpee

Yeah until the next variant comes along that's more transmissible AND more virulent. I don't have any hope that things will be totally normal for years yet tbh. Wish it weren't so but there you are.

How is that possible though, When the virus is doing what it is supposed to do? Infecting more , but less lethal?

What did people think "endemic" would mean -- that we'd still be legally required to seek a test & self-isolate forever?

After mass vaccination & early life exposure & repeated mild post-vacc infections, for a highly transmissible viral infection that will be overwhelmingly asymptomatic or will manifest like any other mild cold?

Self-isolation is not sustainable in that scenario.

Unless you like the draconian measures; I know some do.

On same logic we'd demand testing & self isolation for everyone carrying group A strep too & influenza. Just to prevent the odd case of scarlet fever.

I wonder if there is going to be a leak soon about some Tory not isolating at some point after testing positive and it will be leaked when there is only guidance to self isolate and it's not the law.

Then it will be hushed up or explained most people weren't following the guidance anyway ignoring the fact the Tory didn't isolate when it was law not just guidance. They do think the public is that stupid.
They love to rewrite history and gaslight.

When the virus is doing what it is supposed to do?Infecting more , but less lethal?

You do know this is not the golden rule of viruses, don't you. Plenty over history have evolved to become more lethal AND more transmissible.

BTW I go out, I see family and friends, I live my day to day life. I don't "cower". I obviously don't expect people to give up their jobs and keep their kids home from school, but I am really shocked that people aren't making more noise about the possibilities of long term damage to children from a novel virus. Half the people I know don't even want their under 11s vaccinated as "what's the point, it doesn't affect children badly". I'm glad they have crystal balls.