61% in ICU are unvaccinated

[Northsoutheastwest76]

Pretty shocking given approx 90% population have had at least one dose.

www.icnarc.org/DataServices/Attachments/Download/93440802-6975-ec11-913a-00505601089b

It seems quite shocking that 39% are vaccinated!

yup, I'm on the "Wow!' reaction about the 39%, too

@Hoppl

It seems quite shocking that 39% are vaccinated!

Just leaving this here.

Look up base rate fallacy. The more or less podcast is excellent on this.

That 39% though is out of 90% of the population. 10% of the population makes up 61% of admissions. The vaccines can't save everyone sadly but they are doing the heavy lifting.

But even though 39% sounds a lot, a far greater proportion of the population is vaccinated than unvaccinated so the percentage of vaccinated people who end up in ICU must be tiny by comparison.

Yeah if 100% were vaccinated than everyone in ICU would be vaccinated. Can't believe people's till don't get this.

Aarghhh x post.

@Gunpowder absolutely. The graphs show this quite clearly.

@PurpleDaisies that’s a good diagram, thank you. I love the more or less podcast for all sorts of things, but especially understanding all the data that is thrown at us about covid.

I remember seeing a dr saying that the people in critical care are very ill with underlying issues.
It would be useful to know this.
Not that I’m minimising it as it’s awful for everyone in those circumstances but to gauge risk level.
It’s still very unlikely that generally healthy people who are not elderly will be very ill with omicron and need critical care.

I Love the ICNARC reports.

This is the striking graph to me. Such a dangerous disease to older males. I'm half surprised there isn't an MN Feminists conspiracy theory about that by now.

Quite alot of 60 plus in there unvaccinated and yes by the time you are 60 you probably have some underlying condition buy not necessarily serious. I am 50 and have a couple of underlying conditions but I am never ill as such with these conditions. I live a normal life with no reduced life expectancy.

For me thus is the most striking. I wouldn't want to be over 60 and unvaccinated

I like that last graph - it removes the base rate fallacy which causes confusion because of the 90% at least one dose issue.

Absolutely @Gladioli23

It would be interesting to see a graph of unvaccinated males and females by age. I wonder if that would have the same spread as your graph @lljkk

Playing devil's advocate. How many are in ICU because of Covid rather than with Covid? Could some be unvaccinated because they were already ill rather than ill because they are unvaccinated?

@Northsoutheastwest76

For me thus is the most striking. I wouldn't want to be over 60 and unvaccinated

Where is the original source please

So out of about 800 people about 320 are unvaccinated and 480 are vaccinated. Seen as a percentage 0.005% of unvaccinated population are in ICU and 0.0008% of vaccinated population are in ICU.
Calculations are very rough.
So 5 in every 1000 unvaccinated against 8 in every 10000 vaccinated.

It us linked above on my 2nd post @Regulus

Of the percentage that have been vaccinated what is not being made clear is that the fact they are in hospital is not necessarily BECAUSE they have coronavirus. As a friend of mine working as a consultant at a large London hospital noted, many people are in hospital for other reasons and whilst they are there happen to test positive for Covid as part of the testing procedure when they are admitted for unrelated issues. So the numbers are not indicative of all the people hospitalised directly BECAUSE OF having covid symptoms.

Sorry I moved the decimal point too many places it should be 5 in 100000 and 8 in 10000000 and percentages should be 0.00005% and 0.000008% 😂

Thanks @Angrymum22, it's interesting put that way.
Final graph is interesting too, shows how statistically low risk being below 49 years is. Almost like risk is stratified by age... We really should be targeting 50+, those with underlying conditions and the obese for vaccines and boosters. The general messaging that everyone should have it means the importance for those groups is lost/not stressed. I also think ignoring risk stratification undermines trust in the vaccine rollout entirely. Targeting those groups would still be a huge proportion of the population.

All-ages, UK women are slightly more vaccine hesitant than the blokes, although this is slightly reversed in the key age 50-69 group I doubt the difference amounts to being 'statistically significant'. Women under 40, renters, most deprived, low income are the most vaccine-hesitant.

I can't find any info that older males are less likely than older females to be unvaccinated not even in the USA. In USA it's a political alignment issue, black or not, or rural/urban difference who isn't vaccinated. More US data, less educated, socially marginalised, unmarried, disabled & younger ppl more likely to be unvacc'd. There's a suggestion there that it's people already in bad health with poor social support who are less likely to get jab.

Non-white & younger people in UK are more likely to be unvacc'd.