61% in ICU are unvaccinated

[Northsoutheastwest76]

Pretty shocking given approx 90% population have had at least one dose.

Above taken from table 16 of report so most appear to be in ICU due to COVID not other reasons. More so in unvaccinated

@ReadtheFT

I wish there was a way to see any co morbidities in those who are pg in ICU. Im having a hard time deciding

RCOG are the place to go to for a summary of evidence:

www.rcog.org.uk/en/guidelines-research-services/coronavirus-covid-19-pregnancy-and-womens-health/covid-19-vaccines-and-pregnancy/covid-19-vaccines-pregnancy-and-breastfeeding/

They've also got a decision making aid:
www.rcog.org.uk/globalassets/documents/guidelines/2021-02-24-combined-info-sheet-and-decision-aid.pdf

They strongly recommend vaccination in pregnancy, including in those with no co-morbidities, as it seems to be pregnancy alone is a fairly big risk factor.

Yes i have seen all those, but the uncertainty is not reassuring. No "known" side effects,and the fact that its been given to pregnant women so recently.
Had other vaccines, whooping cough in pregnancy, but the fact that it is a new technology for human vaccination is stopping me.

I suspect there are underlying issues and covid is not the sole reason vaccinated people are in ICU.

What possible illness could put people in intensive care hundreds of times more commonly in people unvaccinated for Covid, except Covid?

Am I looking at Table 16 correctly, that over 91% of people in ICU (within these settings and these dates) were there with Covid as the primary reason for admission?

COVID is the primary cause in 96% unvaccinated and 91% of those. Vaccinated roughly.

Yep @kittensinthekitchen 91% just vaccinated and 96% unvaccinated. Although these figures are only for those with a positive test not all ICU admissions

Thank you, that's interesting to know when people question if people are in hospital because of covid or with covid

Yeah I must admit even I was surprised how high it was.

Certainly in ICU is is definitely because of not with.

Is that what these two graphs show?

I would think that relates to all ICU admissions and it looks positive if Omicron stays dominant as it looks like admissions have come down since it dominated.

@Northsoutheastwest76

I'm not great at translating graphs and diagrams, so thank you so much for your help

It does look very positive 🤞

I might be wrong though. It's late and I'm not great either. Raw numbers I get but graphs can be confusing.

@Northsoutheastwest76

Yeah if 100% were vaccinated than everyone in ICU would be vaccinated. Can't believe people's till don't get this.

Oh they get it. They've had it explained enough to them on these threads. They just prefer to continue banging that drum against vaccination.

@Svara

Playing devil's advocate. How many are in ICU because of Covid rather than with Covid? Could some be unvaccinated because they were already ill rather than ill because they are unvaccinated?

True, but you could make exactly the same argument for those who are vaccinated.

If you take into consideration socio economic factors and ethnicity as well as gender, BMI, co morbidities and age then the results are even more stark.

@ReadtheFT Hundreds of thousands of babies will have been born to mothers who had the vaccine now. I know three myself, with another due any day. If there were any evidence that the vaccine causes harm, we would know about it by now.

Playing devil's advocate. How many are in ICU because of Covid rather than with Covid? Could some be unvaccinated because they were already ill rather than ill because they are unvaccinated?

96% unvaccinated Primary cause COVID and 91% single or double vaccinated COVID Primary cause.

Sorry didn't tag. @Svara

So more unvaccinated than vaccinated in primarily because OF covid. @Svara

@ReadtheFT

I wish there was a way to see any co morbidities in those who are pg in ICU. Im having a hard time deciding

Look up covid placentitis, it isn't just you at risk if you don't vaccinate. www.google.com/amp/s/www.thejournal.ie/covid-placentitis-in-ireland-5653091-Jan2022/%3famp=1

[quote TulipsGarden]@ReadtheFT Hundreds of thousands of babies will have been born to mothers who had the vaccine now. I know three myself, with another due any day. If there were any evidence that the vaccine causes harm, we would know about it by now.[/quote]
But they are still very young babies. What about those babies reaching milestones, and possible effect to be seen in,say, 5 years time? Where are the numbers in miscarriages and late loss in vaccinated women? I need to see both sides to decide

@ReadtheFT the vaccine doesn't cross the placenta so isn't going to be affecting milestones etc. What would affect milestones is being born prematurely to save the life of their mother due to a covid 19 infection when unvaccinated. The RCOG have shown that there is no increased risk of miscarriage with the vaccination. There is however a clear increased risk of stillbirth with covid 19 infection in unvaccinated women.

@ReadtheFT

I wish there was a way to see any co morbidities in those who are pg in ICU. Im having a hard time deciding

Pregnancy is a co-morbidity when it comes to covid.