61% in ICU are unvaccinated

[Northsoutheastwest76]

Pretty shocking given approx 90% population have had at least one dose.

@FMLpassthegin yes it is cases linked to a positive test but it is the only data we have and assuming a certain percentage overall are in for other reasons it still doesn't detract from the fact that a much higher percentage per 100K of population are unvaccinated.

@lljkk

All-ages, UK women are slightly more vaccine hesitant than the blokes, although this is slightly reversed in the key age 50-69 group I doubt the difference amounts to being 'statistically significant'. Women under 40, renters, most deprived, low income are the most vaccine-hesitant.

I can't find any info that older males are less likely than older females to be unvaccinated not even in the USA. In USA it's a political alignment issue, black or not, or rural/urban difference who isn't vaccinated. More US data, less educated, socially marginalised, unmarried, disabled & younger ppl more likely to be unvacc'd. There's a suggestion there that it's people already in bad health with poor social support who are less likely to get jab.

Non-white & younger people in UK are more likely to be unvacc'd.

Hesitancy/lack of hesitancy m is not the same as actually going out and getting the jab. Unsurprisingly, given everything we know about healthcare, men are somewhat less likely to be vaccinated than women - 13% vs 10% unvaccinated. www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/01/COVID-19-weekly-announced-vaccinations-13-January-2022.pdf

Combine that with the fact that men are far more vulnerable in the first place and the sex-ratio in intensive care is hardly surprising.

Thanks for the explanations on this thread. Makes a lot more sense now

@FMLpassthegin

Of the percentage that have been vaccinated what is not being made clear is that the fact they are in hospital is not necessarily BECAUSE they have coronavirus. As a friend of mine working as a consultant at a large London hospital noted, many people are in hospital for other reasons and whilst they are there happen to test positive for Covid as part of the testing procedure when they are admitted for unrelated issues. So the numbers are not indicative of all the people hospitalised directly BECAUSE OF having covid symptoms.

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Well this shows that the vaccines work, surely? (Although not completely but they’re doing something good?)

@Northsoutheastwest76

Yeah if 100% were vaccinated than everyone in ICU would be vaccinated. Can't believe people's till don't get this.

It’s like Groundhog Day

How vaccinated? 1/2/3 jabs?
How many have ONLY covid?

I suspect there are underlying issues and covid is not the sole reason vaccinated people are in ICU.

Absolutely @Iggly.

Um...

males > age 50 are MORE likely to get jab than women age 50+

Most people in ICU are age 44+

So vaccine rates among older males is NOT why a reason why males are over-represented in ICNARC data. Males age 40+ have Higher vacc rates than females age 40+.

@Youaremypenguin there is some anecdotal evidence that that vaccinated in ICU are more likely to have serious co morbidities. I think there is some data in the report on this.

@lljkk

Um...

males > age 50 are MORE likely to get jab than women age 50+

Most people in ICU are age 44+

So vaccine rates among older males is NOT why a reason why males are over-represented in ICNARC data. Males age 40+ have Higher vacc rates than females age 40+.

Oh yes, good point lljkk, men appear to be more vaccinated in the key ICU age bands. Strange. Must just be vulnerability and perhaps behaviour then.

@Youaremypenguin try table 16. Very sad that almost all pregnant women in ICU are unvaccinated.

Sorry screenshot not very clear and yes before anyone says it many have a high BMI cue I don't need vaccine as I am young, slim female., not pregnant and no co morbidities. Although you can see far more unvaccinated have no serious comorbidities than the vaccinated.

Really like the images!

Some people struggle to understand how people who are vaccinated are still ending up in ICU and then think the vaccine isn’t effective so having actual images of the data makes it so much clearer.

I’m really surprised how many people are unvaccinated though.
I thought the majority of people would have had at least one dose.

Also notice male female distribution is separated between unvaccinated, one dose and two and the difference is greater in the two dose section.

My dear old pa is fully vaccinated. If he got covid we wouldn't be at all surprised if he ended up in ICU because he has so many chronic conditions.

Thanks @lljkk that's interesting. I did wonder if men might feel more invulnerable than women - the only ardent vaccine refuser I know is a male in that age group. But I'm wrong :)

The vaccines seem to be doing a great job but there are limitations and the data suggests that the double dosage admissions seem to be older with more significant health issues than the vaccinated cohort.

I think bbc news suggests that in the country about 1 in 15 currently have covid in England? Therefore, if people were in ITU for reasons unrelated to covid and only tested positive incidentally, we might expect 1 in 15 people in ITU to be covid positive and 14 in 15 to be covid negative. So I suppose it would be interesting to find out how many positive vs negative people in ITU there are.

Of course there may be confounding factors eg - catching covid from hospital (people go in negative, but turn positive while in hospital or Itu), risk factors for catching covid which also predispose you to being in ITU (perhaps lower socio economic group with high number of people in a household).

It's no surprise to me that people still aren't vaccinated. My sibling and spouse (who live in another country) aren't vaccinated. They seem to take great pride in it, but haven't yet come to grips with the fact that their work requires them to cross borders on a regular basis and they will no longer be able to do it.
Another sibling's take on it is that my sibling has listened to far to many American anti-vax radio programmes. They may well be right.
When asked by my remaining parent whether or not they'll ever see them again, they replied probably not and that they wouldn't be able to come to the funeral either. Go figure...
There are some people who will not be educated.

@Namenic I have only shared info re vaccinated/unvaccinated with a positive test result. There are sections re all types of ICU admissions in the report.

Where can one find info about the pregnant women in ICU, whether they also have otjer factors at play(high bmi etc?)

Table 16. In the Report.

No way of knowing for sure if BMI high but when you have 262 unvaccinated pregnant ladies unvaccinated and less than five unvaccinated it is pretty obvious way vaccines are recommended.
O and another interesting fact 96% of unvaccinated with a positive covid test were admitted primarily for COVID. That figure reduces to about 91% for vaccinated.

I wish there was a way to see any co morbidities in those who are pg in ICU. Im having a hard time deciding