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Illegal to sit in a park but ok to party on.

190 replies

Againstmachine · 12/01/2022 20:56

I am not sure if timelines align but nonetheless we had a government at beginning of the pandemic Made it illegal to sit in a park. Bubbles for single people were only introduced in may.

But in may it was ok to have a party.

Its sickening.

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Hydrangeaday · 14/01/2022 12:34

Completely agree with @Wreath21 and @BogRollBOGOF, they have been laughing at us from the start. We've been taken for complete idiots and we still are.

They were party to swathes of information that we will never even see and subsequently felt completely safe to break all the 'rules' they put in place for all of us, the lemmings. That says it all. Many of the restrictions were and still are inhumane and cruel and have caused more suffering than they have spared and continue to do so.

shouldistop · 14/01/2022 12:49

It's making me feel sick with anger actually

shouldistop · 14/01/2022 12:56

I agree with @Wreath21 too.

jgw1 · 14/01/2022 13:59

[quote Clavinova]jgw1
While you are here, are you able to tell us what the rules were in April 2021 about moving from ones main place of residence?

Sorry, I popped to Waitrose. Grin

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/05/how-will-covid-restrictions-be-changing-england-12-april-roadmap[/quote]
@Clavinova Did you need another bottle of wine to help your work?

@clavinova I think you missed me asking you yesterday whether or not you thought it appropriate for those who have no vote in UK elections to pay MPs. Do you have an opinion on the matter?

Clavinova · 14/01/2022 14:48

jgw1
Did you need another bottle of wine to help your work?

No - I bought some coffee, a seafood cocktail sandwich and a Kit Kat.

I think you missed me asking you yesterday whether or not you thought it appropriate for those who have no vote in UK elections to pay MPs. Do you have an opinion on the matter?

I have already answered - you will have to check back if you can't remember.

jgw1 · 14/01/2022 15:35

@Clavinova

jgw1 Did you need another bottle of wine to help your work?

No - I bought some coffee, a seafood cocktail sandwich and a Kit Kat.

I think you missed me asking you yesterday whether or not you thought it appropriate for those who have no vote in UK elections to pay MPs. Do you have an opinion on the matter?

I have already answered - you will have to check back if you can't remember.

@Clavinova I remember that you think that MPs shouldn't accept money from Chinese spies, even if the Chinese spy is a British citizen and the MP doesn't know they are a spy. You never did answer though more generally what your opinion was of MPs who take money from overseas, for example would it be acceptable to you for donations to come from Russia or Saudi?
Clavinova · 14/01/2022 16:10

jgw1

I am happy with any donation passed by the Electoral Commission from permissible donors, but I shall be on the look out for urgent security warnings from MI5 in the future. I assume that the Labour MP will no longer accept donations from Christine Lee now that he's in the know.

jgw1 · 14/01/2022 16:15

@Clavinova

jgw1

I am happy with any donation passed by the Electoral Commission from permissible donors, but I shall be on the look out for urgent security warnings from MI5 in the future. I assume that the Labour MP will no longer accept donations from Christine Lee now that he's in the know.

@Clavinova So you are happy with the donations received by various MPs from Christine Lee since they were approved by the Electoral Commission. Thank you for your clarity today on this matter.
Suffolkcatlady · 14/01/2022 16:19

I'm friggin fuming here. For me it's not about the lockdown or not - it's about one rule for them and one rule for us. I was just watching 999 Critical condition on channel 5 watching these heroes save peoples lives - working so hard. And instead of being issued with FFP3 masks they work with flimsy surgical masks as they try and deal with major medical emergencies - while the politicians like Savid Javid wear a FFP3 when he visits the hospital. And while these great smart medical staff are busting their guts working - the sociopaths in charge are boozing in the garden! Again, it's not about masks or not -or lockdown or not - it's about one rule for them and one for us. I'm absoloutely sick to death of them. Every person who was fined for sitting on a bench or having a garden party in lockdown should have that fine cancelled. My old best friend from school was not allowed to visit her dying dad in care home in May 2020- she couldn't even hold his hand as he died alone - she is still struggling mentally with that today. I'm an ex psych nurse here and BJ has every characteristic of a sociopath as far as I'm concerned. Superficial, glib, charming, compulsive liar, obsessed with power etc - He does not give a F about people - only himself

Sandyd1035 · 14/01/2022 16:23

Totally agree with Thechip spot on

JuergenSchwarzwald · 14/01/2022 16:25

I agree there should have been precautions and some level of lockdown.
And I disagree that the government sent elderly people to care homes to infect others. Bed blocking was and is a major problem and it was not odd that hospitals sent people back home to their care homes that they lived in, if they were medically ok. In hindsight we may say they should have been tested for covid, but hindsight is a wonderful thing.

However, the level of restrictions was ridiculous. There are questions to be answered about banning people from exercising with others outdoors in small groups.

There are questions to be answered about the conduct of local councils who rushed out to tape up park benches, close down kids' play area and block off car parks. All we wanted was for them to continue to empty the bins and care for the vulnerable - the things we pay our council tax for them to do.

There are questions to answer about saying "you can't go more than x miles from home" (not in England but in other parts of the UK) and closing off borders within a small country like the UK.

There are questions to answer about the impact of lockdown on other healthcare, education, domestic violence and of course the murder of Sarah Everard which would not have happened in other circumstances.

It was obvious all along that many of the rules were utter nonsense but lets not forget how many MNers took to them with gusto and told people on here that they should not be going out to buy newspapers or Easter eggs and if you drove anywhere for a walk you were going to have an accident or break down and kill the people who had to help you.

You can say you hope there will be lessons learnt but other countries have overreacted even more eg with the vaccine passports. We've had them in England for larger crowded events, but other countries require them for buying a coffee or getting a haircut. And then there's the fun of wearing a mask outside.

I could write a book Angry.

Clavinova · 14/01/2022 16:28

jgw1
So you are happy with the donations received by various MPs from Christine Lee since they were approved by the Electoral Commission.

I was a few days ago - but that was before this;

The MI5 Security Service Interference Alert about Christine Ching Kui Lee (MI5/PA)
In the Security Service Interference Alert (SSIA) sent to MPs and peers, MI5 said Lee “acted covertly” in co-ordination with the United Front Work Department (UFWD) of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP)...

jgw1 · 14/01/2022 16:44

@Clavinova

jgw1 So you are happy with the donations received by various MPs from Christine Lee since they were approved by the Electoral Commission.

I was a few days ago - but that was before this;

The MI5 Security Service Interference Alert about Christine Ching Kui Lee (MI5/PA)
In the Security Service Interference Alert (SSIA) sent to MPs and peers, MI5 said Lee “acted covertly” in co-ordination with the United Front Work Department (UFWD) of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP)...

@Clavinova You have confused me again.
Are you saying that you are now not happy that MPs received donations from Christine Lee that were approved by the Electoral Commission?
Clavinova · 14/01/2022 16:53

jgw1

I think I've been quite clear.

jgw1 · 14/01/2022 16:58

@Clavinova

jgw1

I think I've been quite clear.

@Clavinova

I have tried again. I think you are saying.

You approve of the donations from Christine Lee and anyone else whether they be British or otherwise as long as they are not known to be a Chinese spy.

Clavinova · 14/01/2022 17:03

The Daily Mail have now published an article on Keir Starmer's beer quaffing. It looks as though he's had two beers - there's one bottle on the windowsill.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10403057/Tories-accuse-Keir-Starmer-hypocrite-party-row.html

jgw1 · 14/01/2022 17:07

[quote Clavinova]The Daily Mail have now published an article on Keir Starmer's beer quaffing. It looks as though he's had two beers - there's one bottle on the windowsill.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10403057/Tories-accuse-Keir-Starmer-hypocrite-party-row.html[/quote]
@Clavinova Are you saying that you think that downing a beer or other alcoholic beverage in a place of work means that it is a party?

DuncinToffee · 14/01/2022 17:12

Starmer was not the head of the Covid Taskforce, unlike Kate Josephs
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-60001927

Clavinova · 14/01/2022 17:12

Are you saying that you think that downing a beer or other alcoholic beverage in a place of work means that it is a party?

I'm wondering why Keir Starmer often has ruddy cheeks.

jgw1 · 14/01/2022 17:15

@Clavinova

Are you saying that you think that downing a beer or other alcoholic beverage in a place of work means that it is a party?

I'm wondering why Keir Starmer often has ruddy cheeks.

@Clavinova Are you saying that you think that downing a beer or other alcoholic beverage in a place of work means that it is a party?
Clavinova · 14/01/2022 17:19

Are you saying that you think that downing a beer or other alcoholic beverage in a place of work means that it is a party?

You need to ask Sue Gray.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 14/01/2022 17:45

I'm genuinely quite concerned that some posters are still trying to insist that the lockdowns were necessary and the only problem was disobedience

In fairness, Wreath, people gave up so much during the lockdowns that's it's perhaps hard to accept they weren't the best thing to do

I'm convinced the day will come when your view's held more widely, but for many we're not there yet - though the Westminster partying may be helping

VikingOnTheFridge · 14/01/2022 18:01

Yes, the tide is clearly turning but it's a process.

MollyQueenOfSocks · 14/01/2022 18:04

I agree with @Wreath21 completely. It's such a big fucking joke.

I sat with people while they died alone and afraid. Their relatives weren't allowed to even come to the window. One man screamed and shouted in fear until he died completely alone (we were rushed off our feet and short of staff that day) and never got to say goodbye to his kids. Another, I held his hand until he died but his wife wasn't allowed in and that day wasn't the day her alloted hour was booked.

It killed of my career in clinical healthcare and any passion I had for it. I am now determined to leave the NHS, doing a relatively important job for a shit wage, to go into an IT related field - one that is completely unnecessary and we could all live without - because I am sick of being in charge of looking after the HEALTH AND WELLBEING of people for an absolute insult of a "salary" (while getting shat on from ALL directions, patients, relatives, management, colleagues and of course the government) when I could work from literally anywhere in the world I choose writing lines of code for triple the income. That salary alone shows us how much the Government actually gives a shit about "Key Workers".

Meanwhile they partied and drank in massive groups because none of it actually fucking mattered, did it. Now we know exactly what they were doing instead of fixing the damn economy, saving the NHS, getting on top of the looking fonancial crisis etc.

And the saddest thing is they won't pay for what they have done and none of the critical issues will get fixed now either because guess what? Despite being caught out they STILL DON'T FUCKING CARE. They will sit back with their multi-million pound riches and scoff at the nation, somehow blaming us entierly for the whole lot, as WE all suffer and die.

herecomesthsun · 14/01/2022 18:06

They are distinct issues though.

Is there public health benefit in having some restrictions in a pandemic? yes, there can be

Is it possible for that to include a lockdown? yes it could

Were Boris and co behaving badly? also yes, they were

It's illogical to mix all of that together.

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