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Illegal to sit in a park but ok to party on.

190 replies

Againstmachine · 12/01/2022 20:56

I am not sure if timelines align but nonetheless we had a government at beginning of the pandemic Made it illegal to sit in a park. Bubbles for single people were only introduced in may.

But in may it was ok to have a party.

Its sickening.

OP posts:
Clavinova · 13/01/2022 12:35

jgw1
Have you in your busy schedule of posting squirrels had a chance to watch the Downing Street briefing from 20th May 2020?

No - I haven't. When will the Sue Gray inquiry be completed?

the80sweregreat · 13/01/2022 12:38

I'm sure that Sue Gray is straining every sinew to make sure she backs up Johnson and his insincere apologies.

VikingOnTheFridge · 13/01/2022 12:39

Lots of them were saying they thought it was too early to release restrictions and were glad their kids weren't in the years allowed back to school, as it was safer for them to stay at home till September

September took on this weird safety significance at the time didn't it! Almost talismanic.

CornishYarg · 13/01/2022 12:45

September took on this weird safety significance at the time didn't it! Almost talismanic.

Definitely, there was a weird sense that it would all be good in September. When in fact, waiting till then to send all the children back together without any data on what might happen (which they would have had if schools had returned in June/July) was much riskier.

jgw1 · 13/01/2022 12:48

@Clavinova

jgw1 Have you in your busy schedule of posting squirrels had a chance to watch the Downing Street briefing from 20th May 2020?

No - I haven't. When will the Sue Gray inquiry be completed?

@Clavinova

Many years ago I went to a very interesting talk by a former Cabinet Secretary who commented that the purpose of an inquiry is to kick an issue into the long grass and get it off the news, in the hope that by the time the report is published people have forgotten why they are so angry. It is therefore of no surprise that you are in full support of the inquiry squirrel.

To assist you here is a short clip of only 18 seconds in length of the 20th May 2020 Downing Street briefing.

news.sky.com/video/governments-lockdown-restrictions-from-20-may-2020-same-day-as-downing-street-gathering-12513475

Bigtom · 13/01/2022 12:51

[quote Flyonawalk]@Wreath21 it was clear to many of us in March 2020 that lockdowns were likely to be cruel and ineffective. People angry that the government broke the rules should really be angry that the government ever imposed those rules on anyone.[/quote]
Totally agree with this.

Clavinova · 13/01/2022 12:58

jgw1
Many years ago I went to a very interesting talk by a former Cabinet Secretary who commented that the purpose of an inquiry is to kick an issue into the long grass and get it off the news

Tony Blair's Cabinet?

VikingOnTheFridge · 13/01/2022 20:02

@CornishYarg

September took on this weird safety significance at the time didn't it! Almost talismanic.

Definitely, there was a weird sense that it would all be good in September. When in fact, waiting till then to send all the children back together without any data on what might happen (which they would have had if schools had returned in June/July) was much riskier.

In retrospect I think it was people hoping it would all be over by then.
jgw1 · 13/01/2022 20:05

@Clavinova

jgw1 Many years ago I went to a very interesting talk by a former Cabinet Secretary who commented that the purpose of an inquiry is to kick an issue into the long grass and get it off the news

Tony Blair's Cabinet?

@Clavinova What was Oliver Dowden saying at the Downing Street briefing on 20th May 2020 about meeting those you don't live with outdoors?
amicissimma · 13/01/2022 21:57

While a certain number of people, many of whom worked together, were socialising for a few hours, during the spring and summer months I was spending many hours a week meeting and talking to tens of thousands of unvaccinated or partially vaccinated strangers. I also spent time eating and drinking in a room with several other people each day. I was volunteering in a vaccine centre.

Probably I, and the thousands like me, were more of a spreading risk than the few at a party. AFAIK neither I, nor any of the volunteers I discussed it with, caught Covid.

jgw1 · 13/01/2022 21:59

@amicissimma

While a certain number of people, many of whom worked together, were socialising for a few hours, during the spring and summer months I was spending many hours a week meeting and talking to tens of thousands of unvaccinated or partially vaccinated strangers. I also spent time eating and drinking in a room with several other people each day. I was volunteering in a vaccine centre.

Probably I, and the thousands like me, were more of a spreading risk than the few at a party. AFAIK neither I, nor any of the volunteers I discussed it with, caught Covid.

You were vaccinating people in May 2020?

May I thank you for your sterling work and ask what you were vaccinating people against?

BasketBlocks · 13/01/2022 22:02

Working at No.10 appears to be one endless piss up.

SpookyScarySkeletons · 13/01/2022 22:32

@amicissimma

While a certain number of people, many of whom worked together, were socialising for a few hours, during the spring and summer months I was spending many hours a week meeting and talking to tens of thousands of unvaccinated or partially vaccinated strangers. I also spent time eating and drinking in a room with several other people each day. I was volunteering in a vaccine centre.

Probably I, and the thousands like me, were more of a spreading risk than the few at a party. AFAIK neither I, nor any of the volunteers I discussed it with, caught Covid.

What were you vaccinating them against in May 2020??
BogRollBOGOF · 14/01/2022 09:54

Plausible for the April 2021 party on the eve of Prince Philips funeral. Rather than the parties 11m earlier.

VikingOnTheFridge · 14/01/2022 10:32

Did you know the April 2021 story was coming amicissimma?!

BogRollBOGOF · 14/01/2022 10:32

[quote Katie517]@55Jumbo is spot on instead of getting f angry about some people having a drink after work in a garden we should be furious at the fact that we allowed them to dictate our lives to a point where this is something we need to be angry at. Restrictions never needed to be that harsh and they knew it! And as I said on another thread it is better the devil you know at the moment with Boris as it seems really hopeful that we will be restriction free soon and the chance of another lockdown now with him in charge is zero![/quote]
I agree. The parties are a distraction. We're halfway to asking the right questions.

Why were households forced to distance at their moments of deepest grief.
Why were dying people denied love and comfort.
Why was education rationed out to children of parents with deserving occupations.
Why were children denied the company of their peers even in 2021. Junior school children could not technically exercise with a friend and be supervised and weren't exempt like u5s.

So so many whys. I haven't scratched the surface.

And it's not all on the government. They set the tone but organisations and individuals leapt on it with glee and added more and more layers of restriction and still do.

We've known fomite transmission is low risk for 18+ months. That emerged quite early. Why are oranisations still insisting on people gunging up their hands to prevent Covid.

The insanity still continues. Was Drakeford banning parkrun ever likely to prevent a case? How many people fit enough to run 5k are going to turn up infectious enough to spread in the open air in brief proximity to other runners/ volunteers? People losing movtivation and gaining weight is the much more significant health risk!

I'm long overdue a name change but I've stuck with it because by and large I stand by what I've been saying since spring 2020. The rules went too far and were inhumane. They dragged out for far too long. We squandered the natural low of summer 2020. Lockdown has social costs that grow over time. Schools should have returned. We made the autumn worse for that. People weren't spreading disease by having picnics, going to the beach or taking SN children out twice. The tier rules were a mess. Rules have been illogical- remember when two families couldn't meet in a park coz Rule of Six but you could meet 5 friends from different households in a park.

I'm glad people are suddenly begining to see more clearly but it was a long and lonely time being in the minority and constantly insulted as a Granny-Killer and berated for "not being in the spirit of the rules" (rules not necessarily being anything to do with law like exercising for a length of time). Other than fruitlessly doing battle in home-learning, I had nothing better to do with my life in 2020 than to try and treat people with a bit of compassion (yes, it's fine to feel sad and lonely that your maternity leave is like this) when the gloom-laden, joy-sucking dementors were insisting on full complience with zeal and acting like caring for anything else was murderous. "A holiday? You won't be leaving the country until 2023!"

I took things by the known risk at the time. I was more cautious from Feb 2020. As information changed, I adapted with it. I made the most of practical outdoor opportunities over indoor (I draw the line where hypothermia is the higher risk). I did not condemn people for doing what they needed to live their life. I slightly regret not illicitly climbing into playgrounds sooner- poor DS2 slipped into depression from lack of stimulation. That bit of happiness was well worth breaking the law for.

I doubt any government has followed their own rules with perfection. I'm not in the least surprised that Downing Street had parties through out. If they were having drinks in May 2020, it's no shocker that that culture continued. I'm glad I've been under Westminster not in Scotland or Wales where rules have been harder just because for no benefit. Kier Starmer would have been worse. The left likes a nice big nanny-state and this would have been a perfect opportunity. Boris Johnson is an arsehole, but I couldn't name a serious contender to do a better job. Now that is depressing!

VikingOnTheFridge · 14/01/2022 10:38

The awfulness of the rules and the refusal to adhere to them by those who made them cannot be separated. They're a part of the same whole.

The elite were never going to suffer as ordinary people did. Even the ones who didn't have mass pissups every five minutes were still not going to bear the brunt of the regulations they imposed or supported: they weren't going to be denied access to green space or human contact, they weren't going to be attempting to homeschool their kids without devices or be shut out of furlough support.

The argument that we should get angry about the existence of the rules not the PM and co flouting them is understandable but it's wrong.

MrsSkylerWhite · 14/01/2022 10:39

Reports of another party on Today programme this morning, on the eve of Prince Phillip’s funeral, where the Queen had to sit masked and alone and family attendance was restricted.
(Not a royalist, but a human being and those pictures perfectly represented what thousands were going through.)

I don’t know how that man (in the loosest sense) can hold his head up in public. Worse still, the weasels who continue to defend him. I’m not an aggressive person at all, try to see the good, but if I happened by Rees-Mogg, I would have to demonstrate huge self-control to limit it to a few choice words.

Clavinova · 14/01/2022 10:52

Reports of another party on Today programme this morning, on the eve of Prince Phillip’s funeral

Yes, we know - several people have apologised already, but Boris Johnson was not there;

^A No10 spokesman insisted PM was not in Downing Street, having left for Chequers on Thursday evening.

VikingOnTheFridge · 14/01/2022 10:56

I am genuinely struggling to keep up with them all. Obviously it's fab entertainment watching the fuckers squirm and I wouldn't want to deter the person/s responsible, but I could do with maybe four or five days between news of each party?

MrsSkylerWhite · 14/01/2022 10:59

Clavinova

Yes, we know - several people have apologised already, but Boris Johnson was not there;

^A No10 spokesman insisted PM was not in Downing Street, having left for Chequers on Thursday evening.“

It doesn’t matter whether he was there or not, you lead from the top.

How can you defend this?

theworldsgonefeckingmad · 14/01/2022 11:03

@Wreath21 is 100% right, Covid is real the government manipulation was also very real

jgw1 · 14/01/2022 11:17

@Clavinova

Reports of another party on Today programme this morning, on the eve of Prince Phillip’s funeral

Yes, we know - several people have apologised already, but Boris Johnson was not there;

^A No10 spokesman insisted PM was not in Downing Street, having left for Chequers on Thursday evening.

@Clavinova While you are here, are you able to tell us what the rules were in April 2021 about moving from ones main place of residence?
CornishYarg · 14/01/2022 12:13

Why were households forced to distance at their moments of deepest grief.
Why were dying people denied love and comfort.
Why was education rationed out to children of parents with deserving occupations.
Why were children denied the company of their peers even in 2021. Junior school children could not technically exercise with a friend and be supervised and weren't exempt like u5s.

We've known fomite transmission is low risk for 18+ months. That emerged quite early. Why are oranisations still insisting on people gunging up their hands to prevent Covid.

The insanity still continues. Was Drakeford banning parkrun ever likely to prevent a case? How many people fit enough to run 5k are going to turn up infectious enough to spread in the open air in brief proximity to other runners/ volunteers? People losing movtivation and gaining weight is the much more significant health risk!

@BogRollBOGOF Yes to all of this, totally agree.

Clavinova · 14/01/2022 12:22

jgw1
While you are here, are you able to tell us what the rules were in April 2021 about moving from ones main place of residence?

Sorry, I popped to Waitrose. Grin

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/05/how-will-covid-restrictions-be-changing-england-12-april-roadmap

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