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To say get your fucking vaccine (if you can)

481 replies

Urthie · 10/01/2022 10:37

And if you chose not to please don’t give COVID to my red zone working partner.

I’m CEV, I’m positive, I can have only caught it from him - and he works In a red zone where last week 98% of patients were not vaccinated

Sorry for the moan.

OP posts:
Blubells · 10/01/2022 13:49

I'm always a little suspicious of posters who name change and start threads as 'someone new' Hmm

chasingrain · 10/01/2022 13:49

Are you in the UK @ravenmum as you posted a link to a hospital Victoria Australia from October 2021? Just wondering.

FortVictoria · 10/01/2022 13:50

[quote JanisMoplin]@SarahBop my dad was a doctor. I do not believe in herbalists and natural immunity , because I come from a country where natural immunity and anti vaxxers have killed millions. Actually, Covid has killed millions.

I myself have no medical degree and prefer not to "do my own research". Just as I get into planes without doing my own research on flying a plane.[/quote]
I think the point that Sarah Bop is making is that it makes sense to have a look at the information available, and crucially, who is giving that information, so that you can make a reasoned decision. Of course you get into planes without knowing how to fly them. But presumably if you were presented with a choice of flying on an airline that frequently had crashes, and one that didn’t, you would choose the safer airline? You don’t need to be a trained pilot to make that obvious decision. That doesn’t guarantee you that the safer airline will never have a crash - it just means it’s less likely. We all make decisions every day, based on common sense and the information available at the time.

OhdearOhdearOhdearIndeed · 10/01/2022 13:52

@Marmunia999

YABVU as the double and triple vaxxers seem to be suffering the most. None of my family is vaxxed and we are fine! The hubby works in a key role and has done so throughout.
My unvaxxed 68 year old key working asthmatic mother has just 'got over' COVID. She was fine, says the cold she had a few weeks before was much worse. The worst part was isolating when she was ok. I'm glad she got the mild version.

I don't think we hear enough about people being ok. I panicked a lot when I heard she had it at first due to not being vaxxed and wish I hadn't wasted my time.

ravenmum · 10/01/2022 13:52

@chasingrain No, I'm in Germany. As I mentioned a couple of times, I posted the AU link because of OP's use of the term "red zone", and when I googled it in the context of ICU I mostly got Australian hits.

iBrows · 10/01/2022 13:53

I don’t think anyone who has decided against the vaccine is going to read your post and suddenly be converted.

JanisMoplin · 10/01/2022 13:55

@FortVictoria yes, I agree. There are airlines I do not take. BUT the bulk of scientific establishment across the world is in favour of taking the vaccine for now. The few outliers are doctors who have been struck off or discredited in some way. Literally, there has never been such agreement, even for teenagers.

Maybe next year I won't take a booster or maybe none of us will take it. I don't know. Depends on how things pan out.

workingtowards · 10/01/2022 13:56

@HoardingSamphireSaurus

And before someone says less likely, that’s not correct according to data in the BMJ and Lancet and other factual data statistics

Have you mixed up viral load data with transmissability data?

Because quite a few recent studies shown a similar peak in viral loads which seems to have been picked up and run with by many.

Although studies, in the Lancet, by the CDC and many others, show a similar peak viral load, which is the highest amount of virus in the system, vaccinated people clear the virus faster, with lower levels of virus overall. This, obviously reduces the time they have very high levels of virus present which, equally obviously reduces their overall level of contagiousness. An estimated 63% less likely. See the explanations in the same studies.

@HoardingSamphireSaurus Thank you for the clarification. People do seem to be extrapolating from half facts and then becoming entrenched. It's very worrying.
FortVictoria · 10/01/2022 13:58

[quote JanisMoplin]@FortVictoria yes, I agree. There are airlines I do not take. BUT the bulk of scientific establishment across the world is in favour of taking the vaccine for now. The few outliers are doctors who have been struck off or discredited in some way. Literally, there has never been such agreement, even for teenagers.

Maybe next year I won't take a booster or maybe none of us will take it. I don't know. Depends on how things pan out.[/quote]
We are in complete agreement. I’m also vaxxed and I am boosted too. I may not have other boosters. I will keep reading and checking and make each decision based on the info available at the time.

Livpool · 10/01/2022 14:08

And here come the anti-vaxxers...

And to those fed up of those who are CEV - are you fed up anyone disabled/have other conditions?! Sorry I am likely to end up in ICU

Lollipopopop · 10/01/2022 14:12

Haven’t rtft but what I will say is that hospitals are becoming overrun again (last week and this week) due to a massive increase in covid positive admissions and a large amount of staff absence. The over-riding majority of covid positive patients are unvaccinated or
Unboosted.

This has had a huge knock on effect on other services, including my own. I have had my entire clinic list (over 100 patients) cancelled for the next 2 weeks to help out on the wards.

These patients will need to be rebooked, but there is no one to rebook them with as 8 of us have been redeployed. They will be lucky to be seen before March as the clinics are full through February, and obviously this will have a knock on effect on the whole list who are waiting.

This will be the same across the whole health service and thousands will be affected by the delay in treatment. This is not me being dramatic I am just stating facts.

I am annoyed and frustrated at having to be redeployed (again), essentially to become a “helper” on a ward akin to a hca or porter due to lack of staff and excessive patient numbers. I am a band 7 allied health professional and will be spending the next 2 weeks (minimum) handing out teas and coffees and holding patients hands instead of doing my day job.

NorthSouthcatlady · 10/01/2022 14:16

It’s not that simple sadly, l am just getting over covid for the 2nd time in less than a year. I’m double vaccinated and was meant to have booster last week

NotMyselfWithoutCoffee · 10/01/2022 14:28

If you're CEV maybe he should stop working in the red zone and find a wfh job.

Faultymain5 · 10/01/2022 14:35

@Honeymint

A lot of people here seem very eager to throw ‘you do realise being vaccinated doesn’t stop you catching and passing on the virus?’ around like it’s a black and white situation.

The fact of the matter is a vaccinated person is far less likely to catch the virus and when they do catch it they’re less likely to pass it on as they often have less severe symptoms that last for a shorter period of time.

I don’t vaccines should be compulsory (unless for a job etc), but at this point really everyone should have been vaccinated unless they absolutely cannot be. It’s common sense not rocket science.
Pretty much everyone on this board will have had vaccines as a child, to act like they’re the devil all of a sudden is bizarre.

How this ever became a contentious issue I don’t know.

That worked out well for the OP didn't. And for me and the any other triple vaxxed person who suffered over this Christmas.

I'm a little bitter about my birthday and the fact I can't start my new job until the end of the month (thereby not getting paid), so forgive me if feel the reduced transmission, reduced illness has passed me by.

OP said she is positive, she hasn't even clarified if she is feeling poorly. If she is not feeling poorly, then the vaccine is doing the job. As all reports say it does for CEV and the elderly.

Faultymain5 · 10/01/2022 14:36

@NotMyselfWithoutCoffee

If you're CEV maybe he should stop working in the red zone and find a wfh job.
C'mon that's not fair. This might be the only job he is qualified to do. None of us were to know that Covid would be so rampant.
Urthie · 10/01/2022 14:50

@BungleandGeorge

Out of interest was your partner issues with a proper respirator mask and PPE if he was working in a red area?
Yes and no - I’m not sure about the last few days - but not always enough PPE (still)
OP posts:
Urthie · 10/01/2022 14:56

Yeah I name changed a couple of days ago… big woot.

I’m feeling no worse than I was from the kidney infection which I already had… weirdly covid round 1 started with a kidney infection for me.

Anyways, thank you to those that understand and thank you to all for letting me moan.

I’ll be sure to tell the Dude he needs to get an intensive care doctor role working from home!

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DiddyHeck · 10/01/2022 15:03

I’ll be sure to tell the Dude he needs to get an intensive care doctor role working from home!

Other jobs are available but I'm sure the 'Dude' knows that.

CatAlice · 10/01/2022 15:04

What are you worried about if you're vaccinated and boostered then..?

The majority of people in ICU with covid are unvaccianted but the reamainder are mostly CEV, in particular immunosuppressed.

The OP doesn't say but this would be grounds for her to be still very vulnerable to covid even if triple jabbed.

SantaClawsServiette · 10/01/2022 15:06

@Honeymint

A lot of people here seem very eager to throw ‘you do realise being vaccinated doesn’t stop you catching and passing on the virus?’ around like it’s a black and white situation.

The fact of the matter is a vaccinated person is far less likely to catch the virus and when they do catch it they’re less likely to pass it on as they often have less severe symptoms that last for a shorter period of time.

I don’t vaccines should be compulsory (unless for a job etc), but at this point really everyone should have been vaccinated unless they absolutely cannot be. It’s common sense not rocket science.
Pretty much everyone on this board will have had vaccines as a child, to act like they’re the devil all of a sudden is bizarre.

How this ever became a contentious issue I don’t know.

Having concerns about a particular drug or medication is not the same as having concerns about every drug or medication, or even every one of the same kind.

I'm not even sure what the logic is there, unless people are being swayed by the way the media and some politicians are calling people who hesitate over covid vaccination "anti-vax".

The reasons for hesitation are pretty simple from what I can see. It's quite common in general for people to want to see what happens when a new drug is rolled out before taking it themselves, and that is maybe even more true of people who work in healthcare who are aware that it is pretty common for things like unexpected side effects to be revealed in the first year or two of use.

Some people are particularly concerned because this drug was expedited and there was so much pressure to get it out. That's not to say that was wrong, either, but we all know circumstances like that are more likely to lead to something being overlooked, whether we are talking about medicine or any other area.

And there is a lot of generalized mistrust in the medical establishment now. Vaginal mesh, the opioid crises, silicone breast implants, the controversy over approval of aducanumab in the US. These things do not convince the public that they should just sit back and accept what the authorities are telling them to do.

Add to that, the way different governments have tried to pressure and coerce people in many countries, or people in society dismiss others with concerns, has likely cemented doubts rather than alleviating them. There are decades of experience dealing with vaccine hesitant people, and trying to pressure and coerce people is absolutely the worst thing you can do.

Urthie · 10/01/2022 15:07

I’m also sure the Dude knows he’s done 8 years at Uni and 8 plus years of training (:

I’m worried because I got pretty sick with it last time and I’ve spent a lot of time in Itu due a non-COVID Illness and I’m on day three of treatment for a kidney infection.

Actually I’m not that worried - I’m more frustrated I think.

OP posts:
Marmunia999 · 10/01/2022 15:17

@OhdearOhdearOhdearIndeed

My unvaxxed mum who's 80 also had it and had no symptoms! Yet we hear of double and triple jabbed healthy young people getting Covid, then developing myocarditis!

Questions need to be asked.

SantaClawsServiette · 10/01/2022 15:21

OP, while your partner may deal with more unvaccinated people at work, given that he has ppe there, it may actually be more likely he's picked it up in the community going about his regular business.

Perhaps you are not out and about much and don't realize it, but things are not the same now as they were. It's basically everywhere like a cold. Everyone is going to be exposed to a covid positive person, it's just a matter of time.

DiddyHeck · 10/01/2022 15:21

@Urthie

I’m also sure the Dude knows he’s done 8 years at Uni and 8 plus years of training (:

I’m worried because I got pretty sick with it last time and I’ve spent a lot of time in Itu due a non-COVID Illness and I’m on day three of treatment for a kidney infection.

Actually I’m not that worried - I’m more frustrated I think.

I get that but at the end of the day you can't expect anyone to change their vaccination status just to suit you. You can however have a word with your partner about the job he's choosing to do if it's causing you this much worry about your health.
Cherryblossoms85 · 10/01/2022 15:23

Sigh. I'm vaccinated and boosted. Doesn't make me any less likely to spread it.