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Masks in classrooms secondary

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Hummmmming · 01/01/2022 23:01

www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/01/schools-in-england-told-wear-masks-in-class-as-fears-mount-of-omicron-surge?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Until the 26th of January

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megletthesecond · 02/01/2022 09:59

I also think it's wrong that nightclubs and pubs are open. Children should have priority in all this.
But children in school doesn't make the government money so we have to muddle through and cross our fingers.

BoPeeple · 02/01/2022 10:00

@blameitonthecaffeine

Well, I'm very keen for schools to stay open, so I think this is a good thing. Anything that helps tbh

If it did help, I'd agree with you. I don't think it does though.

They wore them in Scottish secondaries last term and they had just a bad a time as we did.
Most kids don't wear them properly and don't wear them all day. They are together all day so there's no point wearing a mask for 5 hours then spending an hour sitting together at lunch, breathing over each other. They'll catch it at that point and the damage is done.
Omicron is so infectious that 'even a breath of infected air' (BBC) can pass it on. A fabric mask isn't going to prevent that. If they're all going to catch it anyway, why make the experience even more miserable with a mask.

Totally agree. It really doesn’t seem to make any difference.
Piggywaspushed · 02/01/2022 10:01

@ChloeDecker

One of the points made by the journalist was that school children were not significant drivers of infection until Delta arrived in 202l, and that cases fell in November 20 despite schools being kept open.

I haven’t read the article as don’t subscribe to the Times but it appears that journalist is interpreting that data very selectively.
A lot of that data was because majority of pupils were only in school from September that year (and as soon as they are, a month or so later, bamb! drivers of infection.) Prior to that, majority were kept at home, so I would have thought that was the reason, not that children didn’t get infected etc.

Cases also fell in that November because there were lockdowns then tiers in most areas apart from schools, which carried on as normal. Data at that time showed the biggest age group rises where in school children. Remember that the R rate went down but not by as much as before - most likely because pupils were still mixing and adding to the numbers. It all got very messy in December and then of course January happened.

This government sticks their head in the sand about the effect schools have. They have had enough time and should have enough budget to have done something better than this ‘announcement’, by now.
And it’s appalling that school staff keep finding out on social media/msm first Angry

I've read the article. It says a fair deal more than was c and pd there.

And as for the usual union nonsense upthread. Become a teacher, join one of our unions, see how much they ever do or say...

Yes, they have been calling for mitigations (quietly) as have many many scientists and healthcare workers. It's not an isolated or wacko position.

SmallestInTheClass · 02/01/2022 10:03

A shame it's come to this, but anything that reduces spread, even by a fraction will help keep them in school. Like all restrictions, not all will do it properly but it's been done successfully elsewhere and we shouldn't let the rebellious few stop the rest doing the right thing.

Piggywaspushed · 02/01/2022 10:07

marsha, I know you can apply critical thinking. Read the NEU webpage and tell me where it even vaguely suggests the NEU want schools shut and/or where they appear to be anything other than sensible and scientific. Tell me where their 'demands' are.

Attacks on unions by anti union posters are utterly unproductive. The DfE made the decision. They are (apparently) grown ups. At various point SAGE have also 'demanded' mitigations in schools if demanding is simply making reasonable suggestions in an attempt to mitigate against spread and against harms.

BunsyGirl · 02/01/2022 10:09

I have no issue with my DC wearing masks in school but I’m not expecting it to have much of an impact. France had 219,000 cases yesterday and they have been wearing masks in schools for a long time.

Piggywaspushed · 02/01/2022 10:12

Two fans on one side of the room, directing air towards properly open windows would make a much bigger difference

Well, I think in January this could be problematic , plus have you missed the memo that lots of classrooms don't have 'properly opening windows'? We have to beg for one fan in the summer , so not sure where two fans (presumably of a pretty good spec) per classroom come from?

Of course masks aren't ideal : there are multiple measures which combined will help to make the space safer for all users.

MarshaBradyo · 02/01/2022 10:13

@Piggywaspushed

marsha, I know you can apply critical thinking. Read the NEU webpage and tell me where it even vaguely suggests the NEU want schools shut and/or where they appear to be anything other than sensible and scientific. Tell me where their 'demands' are.

Attacks on unions by anti union posters are utterly unproductive. The DfE made the decision. They are (apparently) grown ups. At various point SAGE have also 'demanded' mitigations in schools if demanding is simply making reasonable suggestions in an attempt to mitigate against spread and against harms.

I hope they don’t want schools shut although I do remember ‘close the schools’ campaign by NEU at one point on SM.

The pp made a point about masks.. I could see it might be a concession at this point.

I’m interested in what’s driving decisions - I’m not hearing much around - we have a study that shows that masks will do this

How much influence, who knows, maybe it is zero or some.

MarshaBradyo · 02/01/2022 10:15

@Geamhradh

I'm in Italy and a teacher. Our students have been in masks since September. Surgical or ffp2 only. Probably moving to ffp2 next week. We had one case of Covid between September and when schools broke up. All subjects managed to be taught so lord knows what subject a pp teaches where you can't wear a mask. Obviously those figures were also v low because almost every one of the 988 and absolutely every member of staff are double/triple vaccinated respectively.

Numbers have rocketed since schools finished for Christmas, concerning figures obviously and we're expecting further restrictions to be announced. But hopefully because of the rigid Covid protocols in schools there won't be any disruption which is what everyone wants for the kids.

That is a change, Italy was low for a long time. I hadn’t realised. Omicron is so fast.
MilesJuppIsMyBitch · 02/01/2022 10:19

@mrshoho

Two years down the line and the penny has finally dropped that air viltration is essential in our school buildings! The government thought they could ignore this fact and that spending money on schools did not make business sense. How short sighted and depressing is the thought of how little they value our state school education. Scrabbling about in the peak of a pandemic to patch together these systems when we had all of last Summer to prepare. Even without covid, having well ventilated buildings is a benefit to learning.
Indeed @mrshoho .

I know that you, and noble, and many others have been trying to raise awareness of this issue for a long time, now.

Unfortunately, that message seemed to autocorrect on some people's screens to "SHUT ALL SCHOOLS NOW! TEACHERS JUST WANT LONG HOLIDAYS! AND THEY DEFINITELY HATE YOUR CHILDREN!"

I'm not sure how that mistranslation occurred. It's probably something to do with Mark Zuckerberg.

Itisasecret · 02/01/2022 10:22

Interestingly the youth are on this today. Posting about how the “think of the children brigade” aren’t listening to them and have far too much time on their hands.

Some interesting quotes about levels of maturity. It would seem the youth of today is more switched on than their parents it’s quite refreshing.

It’s U4T on Twitter pushing the unions stance. That’s where just come from. They are obviously spooked. People should actually look at what the children themselves are saying. It’s enlightening.

toomuchlaundry · 02/01/2022 10:23

For all those complaining about masks coming into school, how many of you socialised over Christmas and New Year?

I remember a thread someone started along the lines of would you cancel Christmas so schools could stay open, or have Christmas and not worry about schools. The majority of posters on that thread wanted Christmas

seven201 · 02/01/2022 10:24

In my secondary school most kids were absolutely fine with wearing masks. If any hated it they were allowed an exemption. As a person who has to be in the room with 30 teenagers, I'm much happier when they're wearing masks.

Piggywaspushed · 02/01/2022 10:24

Even the right wing press aren't crying 'union' marsha. The spread of omicron is driving it...

WouldBeGood · 02/01/2022 10:24

Makes no difference and is just a sap to the anxious.

We’ve had them up here all along and it’s been rife in schools

MarshaBradyo · 02/01/2022 10:25

@Piggywaspushed

Even the right wing press aren't crying 'union' marsha. The spread of omicron is driving it...
Well maybe Alec will say more on it since it was their original post…

Ask them where they got it from.

Piggywaspushed · 02/01/2022 10:27

They get it simply form hating unions and reading into what is blatantly not there. I was appealing to your better judgement as you seemed to pick up on it.

Never mind. Moving on.

Thickasmincepie · 02/01/2022 10:27

Kids coped wearing masks last summer, even though it was shit. I really hate teaching in them and I hate how it both kills class discussion and allows kids to talk without you knowing where it's coming from. I hate the battles to get kids to keep them on. I hate having to buy pens and now masks cos kids don't have any. But hopefully it won't be for long.

My ds has been wearing one for ages and is coping . Not even an issue. My friend, however, sees kids in masks akin to child abuse.

Legoninjago1 · 02/01/2022 10:30

Poor kids. Really feel for them. Let's hope this shitshow finally ends this year.

DaisyMum40 · 02/01/2022 10:30

@WouldBeGood

Makes no difference and is just a sap to the anxious.

We’ve had them up here all along and it’s been rife in schools

I assume you mean Scotland? Absolutely - masks been mandated constantly for the last 18 months, yet hasn't stopped some of the highest infection rates in Europe through 2021. I can't believe anyone in England thinks this will make a single bit of difference. It blatantly won't.
MilesJuppIsMyBitch · 02/01/2022 10:32

My secondary age DS has two friends with U4T parents.

Both are embarrassed about it, and had their covid jabs against their parents wishes.

They also wear masks, which they get from the school office.

Only anecdote, I know.

WouldBeGood · 02/01/2022 10:33

Yep, Scotland @DaisyMum40

A cursory glance up here would show the mask lovers that it’s pointless

MilesJuppIsMyBitch · 02/01/2022 10:34

'Mask lovers' Xmas Grin

MrsElijahMikaelson1 · 02/01/2022 10:34

DS has made the move to contact lenses to avoid the fogging, which is costing us and wearing a mask all day long makes his acne worse bless him 😢

DaisyMum40 · 02/01/2022 10:34

@WouldBeGood

Yep, Scotland *@DaisyMum40*

A cursory glance up here would show the mask lovers that it’s pointless

Unfortunately there's just too many sticking their fingers in their ears shouting "la la la can't hear you" and insisting masks are a "mitigation". They're bugger all, that's what they are.