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Masks in classrooms secondary

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Hummmmming · 01/01/2022 23:01

www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/01/schools-in-england-told-wear-masks-in-class-as-fears-mount-of-omicron-surge?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Until the 26th of January

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Geamhradh · 02/01/2022 09:15

Forgot- our drama production rehearsals and performances have gone ahead as usual, (classical Greek theatre, Medea this year) and they wear masks for rehearsals but not the actual performance.

middleager · 02/01/2022 09:16

@Northsoutheastwest76

I doubt most schools will do staggered starts for testing. Our are testing before the start of term as before.
Ours are doing staggered starts. Masks too before Christmas.
Thewiseoneincognito · 02/01/2022 09:16

@Watapalava

Its a fuking disgrace

More so that people are not up in arms

Hundreds can pack in night clubs, hugging and dancing pissed up all night but kids wear masks all day

You in favour are a disgrace and should be ashamed that you sold your kids off for this whilst adults do what they want

I agree it is a disgrace hundreds can pack in nightclubs dancing pissed up all night- they must be closed immediately- it beggars belief they’re still open, get the clubs closed! Same for bars and pubs too.

Now the difference between a school classroom and nightclub is the element of choice.

You won’t be fired if you don’t want to go to a club whereas a teacher can not opt out of working in a classroom, the same goes for the kids, their parents face fines for not sending them in. So those who are at risk, afraid of the virus or simply concerned about transmission have no choice when mandated to attend.

Masks in classrooms protects them and is the bare minimum schools can do. Let’s hope they’ve magically improved ventilation, air filtration and installed CO2 monitors in every classroom over the Christmas holidays….

JustALittleHoney · 02/01/2022 09:17

At our grammar school all kids have been wearing masks all day, everywhere since October. Cases have remained low after an initial outbreak and they have not allowed children in whose siblings at the school tested positive. This is in England. Kids seem fine. Some are exempt, from social media posts, it's mainly strapping boys in year 8 and 9 who blatantly don't wear masks.

Exhausteddog · 02/01/2022 09:18

My DC have been wearing masks all day at school (SE England) since the beginning of November. I was surprised it was a news item tbh.

AlexaShutUp · 02/01/2022 09:19

Can anyone link to the data that shows that masks in Scottish schools had no impact, please?

Exhausteddog · 02/01/2022 09:20

Our school emailed about staggered start and testing before Christmas. As it is only DS will go back this week because DD has covid.

Thewiseoneincognito · 02/01/2022 09:21

@Tumbleweed101

Poor children 😞.

Mine had constant sore throats and skin when they had to wear them all day before. Not just at school either but their 40min bus journey there and back. They aren't going to be happy when they see this news. It wouldn't be so bad if they seemed to work but the case numbers at our school didn't change when they stopped wearing them to when they did wear them.

Encourage them to increase their hydration levels. Drink plenty of water to ease chances of sore throats. What masks are you giving to them which irritates their skin? If they’re washable do make sure you’re washing them daily too.

Masks do work when worn properly so encourage proper se, perhaps brush up on it yourself so you’re not perpetuating bad habits.

blameitonthecaffeine · 02/01/2022 09:24

All subjects managed to be taught so lord knows what subject a pp teaches where you can't wear a mask

Dance and Musical Theatre.

I didn't say masks can't be worn. It's physically possible, obviously. But teaching and learning is not effective.

Sport tend to get exemptions, even if inside, so I think I should too.

6thformmum · 02/01/2022 09:26

We cannot close schools again, it's devestating for these children, but do masks really work for this group?

Masks and hearing impairment - the impact on hearing impaired children and teachers is not recognised or acknowledged. It's huge both for learning and mental strain, just exhausting.

AchillesLastStand · 02/01/2022 09:26

Just watching Robert Halfon interview on Sky News, he was asked why kids are expected to wear them in classrooms but not adults working in offices. He didn’t have an answer and stared going on about schools getting air filtration systems.. The government couldn’t give a shit about kids, as long as adults get to booze and party that’s all that matters.

LadyIckenham · 02/01/2022 09:27

@AnInspectorBores there's a long article in the Times today (behind a paywall, or I'd link) about what would have happened if we hadn't locked down. One of the points made by the journalist was that school children were not significant drivers of infection until Delta arrived in 202l, and that cases fell in November 20 despite schools being kept open.

Goalposts have clearly shifted again now, though.

blameitonthecaffeine · 02/01/2022 09:27

You won’t be fired if you don’t want to go to a club whereas a teacher can not opt out of working in a classroom

You will if you work in a club Confused An uncomfortable bar tender or bouncer is in exactly the same situation as an uncomfortable teacher, surely? It might not be an essential service but if it's your job, it's your job. You have yo go.

onedayoranother · 02/01/2022 09:29

My daughter doesn't mind it - she's a stickler for rules and as she's on the tube every day is used to it. She'd rather not, but no complaints.
Even my friends daughters special school for autistic children (many non verbal, many with additional learning and physical disabilities) and the kids were almost all wearing masks when mixing.

bestbefore · 02/01/2022 09:31

I thought this announcement was in place before Christmas anyway? Hmm

ChloeDecker · 02/01/2022 09:34

It’s not the magic cure people on here seem to think it will be in England .

It won’t be no, I agree. Not without proper air filtration alongside it. In addition, the fact that things like birthday parties, relationships (kissing etc.) and sleepovers and extra curricular activities still go on with aplomb, where masks are not needed, means that although Secondary pupils may decrease their likelihood of physically catching it in a classroom, they will still be extremely likely to catch it elsewhere.
Hopefully, it may mean staff in England have a little more chance of some protection and need to be off less. I wonder if data will show fewer staff in Scotland being off with it, even if pupils caught it? Time will only tell.
Of course, Primary children will go unchecked again. Sad

middleager · 02/01/2022 09:35

@AchillesLastStand

Just watching Robert Halfon interview on Sky News, he was asked why kids are expected to wear them in classrooms but not adults working in offices. He didn’t have an answer and stared going on about schools getting air filtration systems.. The government couldn’t give a shit about kids, as long as adults get to booze and party that’s all that matters.
Couldn't agree more.

Children and staff have, in the main, behave dutifully, wearing masks, following every rule - even when so many basic measures were not afforded to them.

The innocence of kids, trusting adults and wanting to be decent citizens, when the Govt and swathes of society behave so poorly.

How the fuck do the Govt square that? Do as I say, but not as I do.

AlecTrevelyan006 · 02/01/2022 09:35

This is union driven. They have been quietly making their 'demands' and if they were honest would prefer schools to be shut altogether:

neu.org.uk/advice/omicron-neu-response

Masks are still (wrongly in my view) considered to be popular and low cost. Their use in schools is only a recommendation, so it is essentially voluntary. That means that the Govt can concede this point to the unions without needing any discussion in parliament.

Parents should simply tell the school that their kids are exempt. But most won't, because they are now fully indoctrinated in the 'idea' that face coverings are effective and they are scared that their children will bring omicron into the house.

Willyoujustbequiet · 02/01/2022 09:36

Ours have been wearing them anyway since October (north east England)

MarshaBradyo · 02/01/2022 09:36

@AlecTrevelyan006

This is union driven. They have been quietly making their 'demands' and if they were honest would prefer schools to be shut altogether:

neu.org.uk/advice/omicron-neu-response

Masks are still (wrongly in my view) considered to be popular and low cost. Their use in schools is only a recommendation, so it is essentially voluntary. That means that the Govt can concede this point to the unions without needing any discussion in parliament.

Parents should simply tell the school that their kids are exempt. But most won't, because they are now fully indoctrinated in the 'idea' that face coverings are effective and they are scared that their children will bring omicron into the house.

I wondered what was driving it
Geamhradh · 02/01/2022 09:38

@6thformmum

We cannot close schools again, it's devestating for these children, but do masks really work for this group?

Masks and hearing impairment - the impact on hearing impaired children and teachers is not recognised or acknowledged. It's huge both for learning and mental strain, just exhausting.

It's not just masks that "work" It's a series of mitigations that together, and followed by everyone, reduce risk. As I said, we've had 1 case from September to Christmas. But that's not JUST the masks. It's the vaccine, the staggered start and finish, (corridors enter and leave one by one at 5 minute intervals) rooms are ventilated for 5 minutes at the end of every hour, all visitors have to have a Covid pass, rooms are sanitised every 2 lessons etc) It's not perfect, it's not nice. But ultimately it's been a small price to pay to not move online again. That one case was in one of my classes and doing 3 days of online lessons while we waited for PCRs for all of us was just horrible. My own DD says if they go back online she's not doing it. Psychologically I'm convinced online lessons (together with the implications thereof, on both kids and teachers) will be shown to have had a far greater negative effect on the kids than a mask.

Our hearing impaired students have classes/teachers who wear clear masks and the teachers also wear headsets with microphones to amplify their voices. It seems to be working, but I'm not in any of those classes.

ViceLikeBlip · 02/01/2022 09:43

@blameitonthecaffeine

Well, I'm very keen for schools to stay open, so I think this is a good thing. Anything that helps tbh

If it did help, I'd agree with you. I don't think it does though.

They wore them in Scottish secondaries last term and they had just a bad a time as we did.
Most kids don't wear them properly and don't wear them all day. They are together all day so there's no point wearing a mask for 5 hours then spending an hour sitting together at lunch, breathing over each other. They'll catch it at that point and the damage is done.
Omicron is so infectious that 'even a breath of infected air' (BBC) can pass it on. A fabric mask isn't going to prevent that. If they're all going to catch it anyway, why make the experience even more miserable with a mask.

Agreed. Half hearted, grubby masks, with gaping holes each side, mostly worn under their noses- completely pointless. Two fans on one side of the room, directing air towards properly open windows would make a much bigger difference. But hey, what do we know 🤷‍♀️
ChloeDecker · 02/01/2022 09:44

One of the points made by the journalist was that school children were not significant drivers of infection until Delta arrived in 202l, and that cases fell in November 20 despite schools being kept open.

I haven’t read the article as don’t subscribe to the Times but it appears that journalist is interpreting that data very selectively.
A lot of that data was because majority of pupils were only in school from September that year (and as soon as they are, a month or so later, bamb! drivers of infection.) Prior to that, majority were kept at home, so I would have thought that was the reason, not that children didn’t get infected etc.

Cases also fell in that November because there were lockdowns then tiers in most areas apart from schools, which carried on as normal. Data at that time showed the biggest age group rises where in school children. Remember that the R rate went down but not by as much as before - most likely because pupils were still mixing and adding to the numbers. It all got very messy in December and then of course January happened.

This government sticks their head in the sand about the effect schools have. They have had enough time and should have enough budget to have done something better than this ‘announcement’, by now.
And it’s appalling that school staff keep finding out on social media/msm first Angry

ViceLikeBlip · 02/01/2022 09:52

(Sorry for derailing- I was primary last year so never had to teach wearing a mask, but I'm teaching secondary this year). Would teachers on here recommend masks with clear panels, or is it not worth it?

(I'm also worried that the clear plastic panel takes up so much of the mask that there's not much breathable fabric- do they get really stuffy really quickly?)

Starlightstarbright1 · 02/01/2022 09:56

@WeAreTheHeroes

Kids at niece's secondary school are being made to take LFTs at school, i.e. overseen by the school, not just results accepted on trust, before the start of this term.
It won't be mandatory . They require consent. Secondary schools are all offering this.