For those that want one, please remember this problem with lockdowns!

[Thurstyy]

Not economic or social, but the fact that it is really not good that we are all shut away not catching the usual viruses OTHER than Covid.

My son has been hospitalised 3 times this year with viruses which are not Covid. The nurses and doctors in the children's ward at the hospital told me they were seeing much more of it this year, with more severe cases of OTHER normal viruses because people were prevented from mixing so much last year. When he had bronchiolitis in Sept the nurse who came to see him at home said they were being prepared for the worst RSV season because of this and barely anyone knows or talks about it.

The typical yearly bugs have made my son so so much more poorly than Covid ever did when he had that and it could well be because his immune system was not given the chance last year to properly build up against them.

It is not good for us to live in a sterile environment.

There are other problems caused by only considering Covid and I'm sick of people caring about nothing else.

I feel the same OP. My eyesight has been destroyed by lockdown/ WFH mandate. But who cares as long as I don't get covid hey!

Has your eyesight got bad because on an untreated ailment?

@Lifeisnteasy - You're right - It's been reported that around two-thirds of Covid hospitilisations are being admitted for other illnesses/accidents and only testing positive at that point. Link below.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10339555/Two-thirds-new-Covid-hospital-patients-England-tested-positive-admitted.html

There's another article that states that admissions are still around 50% lower than last year which is great news if it is true, as it shows the vaccine is doing its job in preventing mass hospitilisations and deaths.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10348831/Hospital-admissions-fall-50-year-promising-new-figures-Omicron-variant-show.html

@Rrhuth - I get that you're worried and that things could get worse quickly but I don't see why you are classing any positive news as 'covid denial'.

My DC have definitely had more minor illnesses since Lockdown and I did link it. However, they both are very unwell with Covid now. I'm not in favour of another Lockdown. I hope your DS is ok now?

@LynxGiftsetAndSocks

Other impacts of lockdown were considered

The conclusion drawn was that lockdown would benefit more people overall

Please could you share the cost benefit analysis that leads to this conclusion?

[quote nojudgementhere]@Lifeisnteasy - You're right - It's been reported that around two-thirds of Covid hospitilisations are being admitted for other illnesses/accidents and only testing positive at that point. Link below.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10339555/Two-thirds-new-Covid-hospital-patients-England-tested-positive-admitted.html

There's another article that states that admissions are still around 50% lower than last year which is great news if it is true, as it shows the vaccine is doing its job in preventing mass hospitilisations and deaths.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10348831/Hospital-admissions-fall-50-year-promising-new-figures-Omicron-variant-show.html

@Rrhuth - I get that you're worried and that things could get worse quickly but I don't see why you are classing any positive news as 'covid denial'.[/quote]
PRetty sure at a reticle was debunked on the day it was published as the DM had misread or misunderstood the NHS stats release. Obviously being the DM they didn’t feel the need to correct it or remove it.

[quote GiveMeNovocain]There are currently 815 patients in hospital in England with Covid. I don't think it's driving the crisis in ambulance services assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1044331/20211230_OS__Omicron_Daily_Overview.pdf[/quote]
That is the number in ICU. The number in hospital is more than ten times that.

868 in ventilation beds
11,898 in hospital

If you are going to quote statistics @GiveMeNovocain, make sure they are right!

@rrhuth

Hospital admissions FOR Covid are higher than they've ever been or WITH Covid?

Oh look, covid denial.

Covid denial? Are you high? 🤣

Surely you can appreciate it is important to differentiate between who's being admitted to hospital because of Covid and who just happens to test positive whilst there for something completely unrelated?

Or are you just loving pushing the doomsday hype on all these threads?

In what universe is asking about the difference between hospitalisations for and with, being a Covid denier? Seriously.

Or is posting anything other than "the end is nigh" being a Covid denier?

@InCahootsWithOrwell - Which article are you referring to? Wouldn't be massively surprised as the mainstream press have been all over the place with figures lately!

I've attached another interesting link about Wales where there are far less Covid patients currently in general beds (around 79%) and ventilated beds (around 72%). Deaths are 93% lower. Would imagine this wouldn't be so drastically different when compared to the rest of the UK?

twitter.privacyplz.org/i/status/1476886974451564568

Main point I was trying to make though was that at the moment the situation does not seem to be the worst it has ever been, despite the catastrophising of a couple of the earlier posters! I think we should probably be thanking our lucky stars for the fact that Omicron doesn't seem as deadly and the vaccines are doing their job, as we really don't want another lockdown with all the damages we now know they inflict.

@bordermidgebite

Has your eyesight got bad because on an untreated ailment?

Nope - it's been due to having to use a computer so much it's caused a shift in my eye and resulting double vision

So you didn't take responsibility to learn how to work all day on screens without affecting your eyesight?

@Thurstyy

In what universe is asking about the difference between hospitalisations for and with, being a Covid denier? Seriously.

Or is posting anything other than "the end is nigh" being a Covid denier?

If you'd read any of the info coming out in the last few days you'd know that:

a) most cases in the stats are for covid
b) 'with' covid is still a major issue as it complicates care, lengthens stays and worsens outcomes for many

It isn't about 'doom', just basic facts.

@Lifeisnteasy

You seem to make a point of making remarks about me particularly. I think the world would be a nicer place if you could knock it off, please.

@rrhuth I pretty agree with most of what you say. We (ICU) are filling up with covid patients, 4 to 12 in just over 48 hours. That wouldnt be too bad normally but we have so many staff off with covid, proper ill too, not knocking around in forced isolation looking for something to do, that it is stretching things. I'm currently in the community, we have numerous staff off but also the covid work load has grown massively too.

[quote rrhuth]@Lifeisnteasy

You seem to make a point of making remarks about me particularly. I think the world would be a nicer place if you could knock it off, please.[/quote]
Because you turn up on every single thread, saying the same things! I’m surprised my comment got deleted, I genuinely thought you would find it funny…

I agree OP. My 3 yr old DS was hospitalised for a week last month with what should have been a standard cough/cold. It was terrifying and, like you, I had many conversations with the doctors saying that they were seeing it more than ever this year.

@Thurstyy

In what universe is asking about the difference between hospitalisations for and with, being a Covid denier? Seriously.

Or is posting anything other than "the end is nigh" being a Covid denier?

Oh gosh have you not looked at any of the info that has been out in the last few days or are you still quoting that old trope. Sheesh!

It doesn't make me a covid denier because I asked that poster to differentiate between the two @refraction

Literally nothing I've said denies the existence of Covid does it? It was a weird reply.

@Thurstyy

It doesn't make me a covid denier because I asked that poster to differentiate between the two *@refraction*

Course not that's not what I said. The of or with covid is old now and explained in media several times.

Course not that's not what I said. The of or with covid is old now and explained in media several times.

@Refraction - Any chance you could provide links of the explanations for 'of or with' that have appeared in the media as I genuinely haven't seen any? The last I had heard were reports that a fairly large percentage of hospitilisations were presenting with other illnesses and only being tested for Covid later on. Would be interested to see any updates to this.

Course not that's not what I said. The of or with covid is old now and explained in media several times

No, but @rrhuth called me one for saying that. That's what I was replying to in the post you quoted...

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/29/how-can-we-measure-the-true-scale-of-uk-covid-hospital-admissions