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For those that want one, please remember this problem with lockdowns!

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Thurstyy · 31/12/2021 09:38

Not economic or social, but the fact that it is really not good that we are all shut away not catching the usual viruses OTHER than Covid.

My son has been hospitalised 3 times this year with viruses which are not Covid. The nurses and doctors in the children's ward at the hospital told me they were seeing much more of it this year, with more severe cases of OTHER normal viruses because people were prevented from mixing so much last year. When he had bronchiolitis in Sept the nurse who came to see him at home said they were being prepared for the worst RSV season because of this and barely anyone knows or talks about it.

The typical yearly bugs have made my son so so much more poorly than Covid ever did when he had that and it could well be because his immune system was not given the chance last year to properly build up against them.

It is not good for us to live in a sterile environment.

There are other problems caused by only considering Covid and I'm sick of people caring about nothing else.

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MaryAndHerNet · 31/12/2021 09:40

I'm sick of people caring about nothing else.

TBF, a lot of survivors feel the same way.

Itisasecret · 31/12/2021 09:47

Equally, too much Covid impacts peoples access to care for things other than Covid. How are we 2 years in and people don't get that?

35-40 min wait this week for a multi car pile up with serious injuries.

GiveMeNovocain · 31/12/2021 09:51

There are currently 815 patients in hospital in England with Covid. I don't think it's driving the crisis in ambulance services assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1044331/20211230_OS__Omicron_Daily_Overview.pdf

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Thurstyy · 31/12/2021 09:54

@Itisasecret

Equally, too much Covid impacts peoples access to care for things other than Covid. How are we 2 years in and people don't get that?

35-40 min wait this week for a multi car pile up with serious injuries.

How are we 2 years in and people still can't read the data properly? The hospitalisations FOR Covid are not staggeringly high nor are they requiring care for as long either.

I'd say it's more isolation at the moment that is causing staffing issues which then in turn cause issues with ambulance services ect..

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Thurstyy · 31/12/2021 09:55

Regardless, my point still stands. There are other issues which come with solely focusing on one illness and lockdowns ect.. this is one of them.

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dudsville · 31/12/2021 09:57

But we don't decide. Petition for the change you want.

Watchingpeppa12 · 31/12/2021 09:59

Completely agree!!! That’s how immunity works… your body must be exposed to things to know how to fight them off, it’s also how the vaccine works

wonkylegs · 31/12/2021 10:00

[quote GiveMeNovocain]There are currently 815 patients in hospital in England with Covid. I don't think it's driving the crisis in ambulance services assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1044331/20211230_OS__Omicron_Daily_Overview.pdf[/quote]
That's the number with Omicron not Covid total
This is the last daily hospital case number for all Covid

For those that want one, please remember this problem with lockdowns!

wonkylegs · 31/12/2021 10:01

Source coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare

NotSure94 · 31/12/2021 10:03

I had a Facebook memory pop up where I'd shared an article about the NHS being on its knees and people being lined up in corridors on trolleys etc... Ambulances in queues and it was from 2017. In some respects it's the infrastructure that's fucked and has been for a long time.

Mreggsworth · 31/12/2021 10:05

I agree in a way. I'm just recovering from my first cold in 2 years and it was a particularly bad one compared to previous though still nothing serious. However, with the covid precautions I know that if I was to be seriously ill and need hospital treatment, I could access that, without the precautions perhaps I couldn't? And that's a scary thought.

A family member recently died in his early 50's from cancer, at first he had a delayed diagnosis as his symptoms were that of long covid as he was recovering from a pretty bad case of covid. When he was referred his scan was delayed due to lack of staff, and then his chemo was delayed due to supply issues (staffing again). These all resulted in his death. When I tell people this the response is 'see, this is what happens when all people care about is covid'. But I try to point out that without the lockdown, the same would have happened just with significantly more delays.

Franklin12 · 31/12/2021 10:06

Review the NHS. It wouldn’t last 5 mins in the private sector yet we throw money at it and it’s wasted. That and people using and abusing it.

Probably it’s sensible to have some sort of co payment system.

IncompleteSenten · 31/12/2021 10:07

It's true ime. In the last few months my family have brought back to the house the most godawful cold I've ever had in my life! And most recently a vomiting bug that reminds me of that scene in the exorcist.

I wonder though if they actually are worse or whether they just feel worse because it's been quite a while since we last got them

karmakameleon · 31/12/2021 10:08

It works both ways. Pre-Covid my son was regularly hospitalised with normal childhood diseases (he has multiple disabilities). Since Covid he’s not had a single overnight stay. Generally when we’re not in lockdown people don’t send their sick children to school anymore etc and so vulnerable children like him are less likely to catch bugs that make them seriously ill.

No one wants to lock down but there definitely needs to be a societal shift where people with contagious diseases (not just covid) stay at home rather than expose others.

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Thurstyy · 31/12/2021 10:10

@IncompleteSenten

I wonder though if they actually are worse or whether they just feel worse because it's been quite a while since we last got them

I think there are a few different reasons. One of them which the community nurse mentioned to me is that the numbers of people getting ill all at once when a lockdown ends is problematic. So with RSV, they were expecting twice as many children to end up with it than in previous years because of the lockdowns.

Other illnesses, like chicken pox, is much better to catch early rather than later in life where it can be much worse ect..

There does NEED to be a certain level of exposure to normal bugs. Even more so surely for young children with developing immune systems?

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Flyonawalk · 31/12/2021 10:12

I agree with you OP. I find it sad that other health issues are not given notice.

We are starting to see the effects of lockdowns - a backlog of cancer patients for one, rising (non-covid) mortality in under 65s, greatly increasing inflation. Many people who supported lockdowns will find themselves much poorer over coming years.

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Thurstyy · 31/12/2021 10:13

No one wants to lock down but there definitely needs to be a societal shift where people with contagious diseases (not just covid) stay at home rather than expose others.

I do agree. There are lots of bugs and viruses though that you are unaware of until you've already been contagious for a while though.

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PutYourBackIntoit · 31/12/2021 10:20

I completely agree OP. This is exactly the issue at our hospital Trust.

Lockdowns were necessary, but they are causing health problems of their own. I'm not sure at which point lockdowns are more damaging than helpful. Glad I'm not having to make these decisions.

Itisasecret · 31/12/2021 10:22

How are we two years in and people don’t understand the data? Quite funny two posters including the op have totally misfired the hospital data. If people want to be patronising, at least make sure you understand what you’re linking to 😂

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Thurstyy · 31/12/2021 10:26

@Itisasecret

I didn't link to anything nor did I mention any numbers at all...

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LynxGiftsetAndSocks · 31/12/2021 10:37

So you think lockdowns should not ever happen because kids aren't getting childhood illnesses when you think they should do?

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Thurstyy · 31/12/2021 10:44

@LynxGiftsetAndSocks

So you think lockdowns should not ever happen because kids aren't getting childhood illnesses when you think they should do?

I'm saying other impacts of lockdowns should be considered.

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1dayatatime · 31/12/2021 10:46

@karmakameleon

"there definitely needs to be a societal shift where people with contagious diseases (not just covid) stay at home rather than expose others."

+++

There will be many long term changes post Covid (flex on WFH / online booking ahead for everything etc) but I really really hope your point above is one of them.

QueBarbaridad · 31/12/2021 10:52

Who are these mythical creatures who want lock downs? We had lock downs when the health service was falling over. They’re a blunt instrument with a hell of a lot of bad consequences but remember Spring 2020 in Italy and Spain? It came to a point where there was no alternative in one nation after another.
I don’t think anyone is arguing for a full lockdown at the moment. In the past the argument was generally that if we go earlier it will be shorter and more effective.

LynxGiftsetAndSocks · 31/12/2021 10:52

Other impacts of lockdown were considered

The conclusion drawn was that lockdown would benefit more people overall

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