Do you think schools will return as normal in January?

[LucozadeGirl]

Just that really.

I work in a University and we had (at Xmas) around 300,000 LFTs in stock. I'm assuming schools will have built up a stock too?

If not there's going to be a bit of a problem.

@Claretmum we had no stock to build up. Got sent enough so kids can test twice a week and that's it. Maybe I can come and raid your Uni 😊

Consultants know exactly what the physical effects of long covid can be.

I'm sure they do, but that doesn't mean there is quality data available to aid decision making. As I've said, it's an utter mess.

It's immaterial to this discussion anyway. Concerns about long covid have never been a rationale for closing schools.

They are only mild if mild means - no need to go to the hospital.

Yes, that is what mild means, but within that definition there is significant variation from asymptomatic onwards.

@Blubells

Based on the local school group I'm on, not many kids will be testing. They don't test in school. So dc will get ill. Dh and me will take turns to look after them. Then I won't be teaching other kids. Then I'll catch cv, so won't be teaching even longer.

Unless the omicron symptoms are very mild or asymptomatic?

Nor then either.

@BewareTheLibrarians which study is that figure from?
Long covid is definitely a thing in children but most studies I’ve seen are fairly reassuring but obviously if your kid is the unlucky one who has significant loss of functioning it gives you a different perspective. It does need to be balanced against the increased number and severity of mental health disorders in children and safeguarding incidents. At least the 12-15s can now be vaccinated which provides protection against long covid. Should have happened earlier imo

@Claretmum

I work in a University and we had (at Xmas) around 300,000 LFTs in stock. I'm assuming schools will have built up a stock too?

If not there's going to be a bit of a problem.

Schools haven’t been receiving LFTs. After the first box or two it was a case of ordering online. Odd decision as it’s surely cheaper to distribute via school than send a box out to each individual every 3 weeks!

Based on the local school group I'm on, not many kids will be testing. They don't test in school. So dc will get ill.

Your dc may not get ill.

@TheKeatingFive

Consultants know exactly what the physical effects of long covid can be.

I'm sure they do, but that doesn't mean there is quality data available to aid decision making. As I've said, it's an utter mess.

It's immaterial to this discussion anyway. Concerns about long covid have never been a rationale for closing schools.

I’m not sure how you think there’s not “quality data” when that’s exactly what’s being used to diagnose problems in real world settings but let’s agree to disagree on that one.

Possibly immaterial to this discussion, but not immaterial to your comment that covid is not dangerous “compared to other diseases (and threats)”. Which isn’t the case even looking at PIMS case numbers alone. I was curious what diseases you were thinking of that leave some thousands-ish nebulous post-viral cases and 700 cases of something similar to PIMS per year?

If that’s not relevant, then neither was your original comment.

[quote mumsneedwine]@Claretmum we had no stock to build up. Got sent enough so kids can test twice a week and that's it. Maybe I can come and raid your Uni 😊[/quote]
It sounds loads doesn't it but it actually only works out at one box per student!! 😬😬😬

You would think so...but hey if it involves common sense.....

@QueenJeanie

As long as they have access to sufficient LFTs (secondary) then yes

Or they could just stop testing healthy kids and get on with teaching 🤷‍♀️

@NiceTwin

Staggered start at our school to enable testing. Whole school will be in on Thursday, apart from those who tested positive of course.

Another waste of our kids education time, why are we testing healthy kids?

@takemebacktothe80s

In some ways I hope they do. I was ill before Christmas and still not right. I could do with another week of holidays.......

Yes let's mess up ours kids education just so you get an extra week off 🤦‍♀️

What age are your 'kids' Terfety? Because you don't sound like a parent.

I doubt the schools will be able to open. The numbers are so high that the schools will only have a skeleton staff. Everyone we know with Covid currently has already had Delta and they're vaccinated which means there's a good chance all the DCs who had it last year will get it again. Our school had 3 classes shut down. Friend's school they had some cohorts where 50% were positive over a 2 week period. I'm not sure why anyone is pretending that level of disruption is an 'education'. Let the teachers prepare online lessons and let the DCs at least have some continuity. In friend's school, MH issues were exacerbated by DCs being in school when Covid was rife. Lots of DCs have vulnerable family members and (unlike the Government) they actually care about them and don't want to put them at risk of Covid.

@ShinyHappyPoster

What age are your 'kids' Terfety? Because you don't sound like a parent.

I doubt the schools will be able to open. The numbers are so high that the schools will only have a skeleton staff. Everyone we know with Covid currently has already had Delta and they're vaccinated which means there's a good chance all the DCs who had it last year will get it again. Our school had 3 classes shut down. Friend's school they had some cohorts where 50% were positive over a 2 week period. I'm not sure why anyone is pretending that level of disruption is an 'education'. Let the teachers prepare online lessons and let the DCs at least have some continuity. In friend's school, MH issues were exacerbated by DCs being in school when Covid was rife. Lots of DCs have vulnerable family members and (unlike the Government) they actually care about them and don't want to put them at risk of Covid.

You know that what's happening at your DCs school isn't happening at all schools right?

My DS's school has been fine, no classes sent home at any point and they emailed before term ended to say attendance there was 5% above the national average for the term. Absolutely no justification for them not to go back. And online lessons only give children continuity if parents actually have the time to dedicate to help, which many don't.

I feel like someone is trying to be a toady us4them promoter whilst simultaneously trying to give terms a bad name. Do you get double pay for that?

I think they will be back but what that looks like will be different from school to school and the issue of the summer exams will need addressing soon.

Personally hoping their back but in class bubbles. Not saying the whole class has to be off of there is a case but in bubbles to reduce transition from to much mixing 🤦🏼‍♀️

@ShinyHappyPoster

What age are your 'kids' Terfety? Because you don't sound like a parent.

I doubt the schools will be able to open. The numbers are so high that the schools will only have a skeleton staff. Everyone we know with Covid currently has already had Delta and they're vaccinated which means there's a good chance all the DCs who had it last year will get it again. Our school had 3 classes shut down. Friend's school they had some cohorts where 50% were positive over a 2 week period. I'm not sure why anyone is pretending that level of disruption is an 'education'. Let the teachers prepare online lessons and let the DCs at least have some continuity. In friend's school, MH issues were exacerbated by DCs being in school when Covid was rife. Lots of DCs have vulnerable family members and (unlike the Government) they actually care about them and don't want to put them at risk of Covid.

What your post also indicates is that those who have not had covid are quite likely still not to have it, probably because they do not engage in as many risky behaviours.

For primary as I know secondary school kids can’t should of said that. But secondary school kids been vaccinated

ShinyHappyPoster
With vaccination available to all age 12+ who want it, what’s your end game for kids not having school and keeping vulnerable safe? Should they never go back to school then?
Seriously, I despair when I read your opinion MH issues in children absolutely exploded with blanket school closures like you suggest. Should that be ignored? When do you think schools should re open, 2050?
Would that ok?

Ffs

@ScottishTinydancer321

Personally hoping their back but in class bubbles. Not saying the whole class has to be off of there is a case but in bubbles to reduce transition from to much mixing 🤦🏼‍♀️

DS's school said they will be doing this.

Our children need to be home educated during this period. Schools do not have sufficient, if any, mitigations in place (through no fault of their own) and attendance has driven this wave. The consequences of this virus are far too severe for many for the government to be complacent any longer.