Do you think schools will return as normal in January?

[LucozadeGirl]

Just that really.

Exactly Covidworries. The very same people using 'vulnerable kids' conveniently are the ones who don't want their children to have to wear a mask or be in a chilly classroom because ffs it's just a sniffle and it would be totally unreasonable to expect them to care about kids whose health makes them vulnerable or who live with CEV family. It's the hypocrisy and obvious selective concern.

I'm afraid I haven't got much time for posters who are rude to people, repeatedly twist other posters words and put words in their mouth but then make out everyone is being nasty to them and flounce off.

Not sure you won't say what child services you work in - it would be interesting to know if they kept running face to face throughout lockdowns like we did. Everyone except schools seemed to shut up shop and refuse to do anything in person where I am.

@noblegiraffe

Some people are certainly using vulnerable kids as an argument against school closures when they haven't shown any concern about vulnerable kids since the last time they thought they could use them to argue against school closures.

If you haven't noticed that then lucky you. But when you think about it, it's grim, isn't it?

Not being in any position to ascertain what people do when they're not posting on the covid board, I don't feel any such certainty. Could you perhaps tell us which posters don't actually care about vulnerable children and are only using them to make a point, and tell us how you came to this conclusion? I'd like to know more.

We're seeing attempts to police who can speak on this subject, which is bullshit.

Does this include the lies being made about posters?

And yes there are posts being made about vulnerable children, equally valid posts are being made about the lack of these points being made before covid by anyone other than teachers and those on the SEN board.

Posters are still ignoring the chronic underfunding of schools and saying that school staff should do more.

@noblegiraffe

Some people are certainly using vulnerable kids as an argument against school closures when they haven't shown any concern about vulnerable kids since the last time they thought they could use them to argue against school closures.

If you haven't noticed that then lucky you. But when you think about it, it's grim, isn't it?

This is so true.

The burden of criticism under the big lockdown was quality of online lessons.

Then it became a sort of vague concern about mental health.

Since the murder of Arthur Lanbinjo-Hughes it's become vulnerable children. While I'm sure there are individuals with bona fides, the silence was deafening before.

There has been one thread, started by a concerned parent about funding in schools since the pandemic began. One.

@FrippEnos

We're seeing attempts to police who can speak on this subject, which is bullshit.

Does this include the lies being made about posters?

And yes there are posts being made about vulnerable children, equally valid posts are being made about the lack of these points being made before covid by anyone other than teachers and those on the SEN board.

Posters are still ignoring the chronic underfunding of schools and saying that school staff should do more.

I presume you mean the bit about the poster wanting schools to close? That reads to me more like an opinion that's incorrect than a lie, but no, there isn't anything like the stuff telling people what else they need to be doing in their jobs, activism etc when they dare to point out that school closures are harmful. That's only going one way.

Shame on you noblegiraffe. What a terrible way to behave and then back pedalling to get out of it.

What back-pedalling? I've posted quite a few times about the use of vulnerable kids by people who only notice them when they can use them to make an argument on the internet. It's been a problem for ages.

I’ve been concerned before horrendous cases appeared and lobbied.

I might have been wrong about how bad I thought it was but after hearing more harms I don’t think so.

@marshabradyo

So would those concerns mean you will also campaigne for migigations in schools..... such as airfiltration, testing, masks if appropriate, online learning provided to any child who is health vunerable who has a vunerable parent or sibling

Shame on you noblegiraffe. What a terrible way to behave and then back pedalling to get out of it

noblegiraffe has been consistent in her views, no back pedalling. A significant aspect of her consistency is that she always posts under the same name too, always willing to take responsibility.

Not being in any position to ascertain what people do when they're not posting on the covid board, I don't feel any such certainty. Could you perhaps tell us which posters don't actually care about vulnerable children and are only using them to make a point

After Arthur Labinjo-Hughes was murdered, there was a spate of 'Little Arthur wouldn't have died if schools had been open, schools should never close again' posts that were particularly obvious and sickening. I wasn't the only one calling those posters out.

What is really obvious on MN is that there's so much concern about keeping schools open 'for vulnerable kids' when there's talk of a lockdown, but the rest of the time, trying to drum up any interest in discussions about CAMHS or SEN funding or the crisis in school funding and it's crickets.

[quote Covidworries]@marshabradyo

So would those concerns mean you will also campaigne for migigations in schools..... such as airfiltration, testing, masks if appropriate, online learning provided to any child who is health vunerable who has a vunerable parent or sibling[/quote]
I did include ventilation I think in one email to MP a long while back

Testing - depends what you mean? Not for close contacts isolation but secondary do LFT twice weekly already

Marks - not in class no but they do wear them in communal areas anyway

Online learning - I think that would be good but how would you see it resourced?

I can understand if you have dc with extra risk that you’d like to avoid omicron wave though, maybe the school will be ok with being out for this

Am I the only one concerned about sending their child back? (For context I'm medically vulnerable though not extremely)

Thank you
Luckily Our school have approved absences already, although they dont need to provide word as i plan the work and just keep them informed but not all school are so reasonable and not all parents would know how to plan lessons.

@grannytoaunicorn

Our children arent returning in january

@GrannytoaUnicorn DH is immunosupressed and I am CV. We have 3dds in Education of sorts. One Primary, one Secondary and one part time tuition.
I think we are relieved we have avoided COVID up to now as a family but I can see it happening in January. Biggest number of cases in Primary until holidays.
I think we are resigned to it and just hope and pray that the 3 vaccines we had will be enough for DH especially if we get it.

I agree, echt. Noblegiraffe has always fought for the rights of disadvantaged children, unlike some posters who haven’t showed much sympathy in the past.

Echt and ponsonby- it’s nice you have noblegiraffe’s back but the concern was the manner in which she addressed another poster which has been deleted by MNHQ now by the looks of it. There’s really no need for that kind of horrible language to express an opinion. I’m off now to celebrate the new year. hNY

VikingOnTheFridge
I'd still be 100% correct that school closures harm vulnerable children and are a terrible thing. The more this is said, the better

School closures harm some vulnerable children. Some vulnerable children did much better with schools closed. This isn't me saying that I want schools closed, it's simply a fact, and part of the reason why "schools open at any cost" is far too simplistic.

Can we please stop conflating vulnerable with "comes from a bad home"?

Children can be vulnerable for many, many, many reasons and many of those don't indicate that home is a dangerous place, or that school is a safe place.

If you think that schools must stay open because of those who are mistreated at home, say so, but don't paint it as being essential for ALL vulnerable children.

the concern was the manner in which she addressed another poster

I didn't address any specific poster at all. Don't know canary from Adam. Don't recall ever posting to them 🤷‍♀️

"If you think that schools must stay open because of those who are mistreated at home, say so, but don't paint it as being essential for ALL vulnerable children."

Vulnerable children other than that group can also need to be or be better off in school. I agree that it is not true of all vulnerable children.

Yep my vulnerable child was definitely not safer in school. School was a big part of the anxiety and Mental Health issues. Like many kids with SEN she missed far more education both pre and post lockdown.

Northsoutheastwest76 been there. for you.

Thank you @chocolateisavegetable. You too.

Back in on the 17th January here in Canada. Gonna be a long couple of weeks