Do you think schools will return as normal in January?

[LucozadeGirl]

Just that really.

Nonsense. You have completely made that up. Read it again.

The best way for society to care about children including vulnerable, is to keep schools open. And not to use the same method of blanket closure again.

Denying schools role in looking after vulnerable kids, and all kids, is most certainly indicative of wanting some sort of closure!
Otherwise there would be no disagreement about this.

As has been said

What will shut schools is not having enough staff to run them safely.

The government has already said that their will be no blanket closure of schools.

And the government is currently trying to pass a bill that will prevent schools from closing unless they have the governments permission.

It is all down to being able to pass the buck onto teachers, unions and schools.

Its a shame that so many people can't see this and are making it so easy for the government to do.

@canary1, But no one has denied schools' role in that. You have totally misunderstood @swallowedAfly's post.
And I repeat, no one is more aware of vulnerable kids than school staff. The point was, other posters, who have shown zero interest in such kids prior to the pandemic, are using their plight to further their own argument. If they were truly interested in the issue, they would be lobbying the government to sorting out the issue both via schools AND BEYOND. But no, tumbleweed.

@helocariad

I believe the welsh government has passed this over to each LA to decide on their local numbers and staff viability

Theoretically yes, but expect closures at local levels due to staffing issues.

The government has already said that their will be no blanket closure of schools.

When did they say this? Is this recent news?

That's great if true

Re: "blanket closure," I think there was the caveat (of course there was!) of "not without a debate about it."
Which means of course, they can do any U-turn they like.

Ok thanks.
I have certainly done what I can, having contacted my MP, council, D fE on many occasions since all this started

The best way for society to care about children including vulnerable, is to keep schools open

Really?

So you think that vulnerable children being in school migrates the shot they put up with at home? Right.

The other 18 hours are irrelevant and don’t matter then?

@BluebellsGreenbells

The best way for society to care about children including vulnerable, is to keep schools open

Really?

So you think that vulnerable children being in school migrates the shot they put up with at home? Right.

The other 18 hours are irrelevant and don’t matter then?

And you think it helps them to have school closures?

Really? I’d say it’s been damaging and most people realise that by now.

I didn’t say anything about the other hours being irrelevant btw that’s just in your head.

So what are you doing the other 18 hours? Are you campaigning to improve their lives? Lobbying your MP? Set up a charity?

Are you inviting a deprived child for tea? Helping them with homework? Buying them clothes and making sure they have a snack the next day?

Agreeing and supporting MarshaBrady0

We all know that the other 18 hours a day are a problem. No one is denying or negating that. We are highlighting the importance of those hours in school.
I’m not sure why you are minimizing the importance of that time in school.

Well my neighbor is a teacher and has just tested positive his wife has had it for more than 7 days so that's the biggest problem with schools right now. They just had a quiet one at in law's think it was her niece that brought it to the family.

@BluebellsGreenbells

So what are you doing the other 18 hours? Are you campaigning to improve their lives? Lobbying your MP? Set up a charity?

Are you inviting a deprived child for tea? Helping them with homework? Buying them clothes and making sure they have a snack the next day?

Lol at the badgering tone of your post

I do some of this. I haven’t set up a charity - have you? What’s the name out of interest…

And if everyone hasn’t done your list is it then ok to close schools in your view?

I’d say it’s never ok and anyone who does what about over it should think again about the damage.

And how can you minimise the other 18 hours - how can school be seen as the best way of keeping kids safe? Getting them out of unsafe homes where they are experiencing ongoing abuse is the best way of keeping them safe.

You have no idea to what it is to know that children are living in abusive toxic homes and society is just leaving them there and saying it's ok because they go to school for 6 hours a day.

If you genuinely cared about this you'd be campaigning for better social services and not leaving kids in unsafe homes. How can you possibly think the best way these children can be protected is school? Children should not be left in the care of abusers.

The fact you can put a 'lol' in your post says it all. You have no idea.

@swallowedAfly

The fact you can put a 'lol' in your post says it all. You have no idea.

I can if people say ‘invite a deprived kid for tea’ and badger like that.

I can’t take it seriously at all.

Children are children and if they come to my house it’s not to check some list.

@swallowedAfly

And how can you minimise the other 18 hours - how can school be seen as the best way of keeping kids safe? Getting them out of unsafe homes where they are experiencing ongoing abuse is the best way of keeping them safe.

You have no idea to what it is to know that children are living in abusive toxic homes and society is just leaving them there and saying it's ok because they go to school for 6 hours a day.

If you genuinely cared about this you'd be campaigning for better social services and not leaving kids in unsafe homes. How can you possibly think the best way these children can be protected is school? Children should not be left in the care of abusers.

Of course they shouldn’t be

How do you pick up on cases if line of sight is cut off and they have zero school hours?

A huge failing within society to cut that off.

Just adding that it’s posts like the above from SwallowedAFly that have me believe he/ she is promoting school closure. That’s surely his /her line of thinking regarding school closure when attending school is minimized so much.

I ( and other posters) didn’t imagine this

They're already picked up on. Have been picked up on for YEARS in most cases. Seriously - we are the people who actually deal with this. We add more and more evidence and concerns and what happens do you think? This attitude that so long as they've got school and school will take care of it is part of the problem that enables these kids to be so woefully failed.

Schools ie: we knew who to invite in as 'vulnerable', who to send food parcels to, who to be really worried about if we didn't hear from them etc. There is this naive sense that once someone knows and reports that a child is at risk it's taken care of. It's not.

I am still of the belief that whilst vulnerable children should be helped by schools, society and the police have a significant part to play - and are failing. Even more importantly, why are we not pushing for SOCIAL SERVICES to actually do their job? It isn’t the responsibility of school staff to cure all of society’s problems. This attitude has to stop.

Canary I struggle to believe you're genuinely not understanding what I'm saying but just in case: I'm saying school is not enough. I'm saying people suddenly being concerned about vulnerable kids when they're worried schools might not run as normal is a bit rich when we're worrying about vulnerable children every day. The posters who show sudden concern don't seem to show concern at any other time, haven't chosen to work in fields where they're actually on the frontline of trying to help vulnerable kids and don't seem to be actively campaigning for proper funding to ss, cahms, bringing back surestart, etc etc.

How on earth you twist that to me wanting schools to close and minimising the importance of school is mindboggling.