Get rid of all restrictions

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I think it's time for all restrictions to be removed. There has been plenty of time for people to be vaccinated / boosted that want to, those that can't or don't should take their own precautions.

If we test positive then we shouldn't need to isolate, shouldn't need to declare it and should just treat it as a normal cough / cold / illness. If you feel up to going to work, out to the pub, seeing friends or family then do so. Everyone I know who have had it say they feel fine.

Life has been disrupted for far too long, the costs associated are astronomical and will be a crippling debt for generations to come.

Why did you say U.K. was outlier btw? Afaik many countries in Europe have comparable numbers or higher

....In regard to restrictions - who else have none and have had none since early summer?

Similar Omicron rates, far lower Delta rates.

@Alexandra2001

Why did you say U.K. was outlier btw? Afaik many countries in Europe have comparable numbers or higher

....In regard to restrictions - who else have none and have had none since early summer?

Similar Omicron rates, far lower Delta rates.

None?

Wfh will impact rates, we still have testing and isolation, demand fell markedly when omicron news was on the very negative end

What do you want as restrictions?

Delta waves have occurred in Germany and had to be slowed, whereas we kept steady - fine by me

I suppose if you want restrictions most if there time you’d prefer Wales or even stricter eg Austria etc but many people would prefer not to be hit again - they are not cost free and in many cases bring damage.

I think some people over look that part too easily.

@MarshaBradyo

Public introduced their own restrictions when Whitty said people need to prioritise their contacts.
Don't anyone who went back to WFH, indeed our company bought folk back into the office during December, as did my partners.

You were happy with 150 daily CV deaths per day when say Spain France or Germany had below 20?

I was relieved that delta kept steady which meant we didn’t have to increase restrictions

Yes public changed behaviour and it cost £1bn extra if not more as media campaigns are as effective as restrictions

Which restrictions do you want to introduce?

So had the UK had more restrictions this year, together with a hi vaxx take up, we'd have more people still with us, without locking down.

But what's done is done. Too late to change things. Need to move on.

And to Delatron's point, (why is the rest of Europe suffering high or even higher cases than us right now?), things do look relatively good for us now — fingers crossed.

That was to Alexandra re which restrictions

@jgw1

Thats the consequence of the last 10 years of Tory NHS austerity.

It was the EU that mandated the economic policy that we had to follow, now we are free of the yoke of foreign interference we can invest £350million a week in the NHS.

You mean the lie that Boris told and painted on a bright red double decker bus for all to see? If you still believe that you are utterly deluded.

"Taking centre stage was the Leave campaign’s claim that “we send the EU £350 million a week – let’s fund our NHS instead”. This was indisputably wrong, as reflected in public finances since, which have never shown a net saving from Brexit. The amount the UK sent the EU was considerably lower, and every official forecast has always shown that savings would be outweighed by the medium-term economic cost."
Source: The Nuffield Trust

*You mean the lie that Boris told and painted on a bright red double decker bus for all to see? If you still believe that you are utterly deluded.

"Taking centre stage was the Leave campaign’s claim that “we send the EU £350 million a week – let’s fund our NHS instead”. This was indisputably wrong, as reflected in public finances since, which have never shown a net saving from Brexit. The amount the UK sent the EU was considerably lower, and every official forecast has always shown that savings would be outweighed by the medium-term economic cost."
Source: The Nuffield Trust*

Are you quoting an expert?

@jgw1

*You mean the lie that Boris told and painted on a bright red double decker bus for all to see? If you still believe that you are utterly deluded.

"Taking centre stage was the Leave campaign’s claim that “we send the EU £350 million a week – let’s fund our NHS instead”. This was indisputably wrong, as reflected in public finances since, which have never shown a net saving from Brexit. The amount the UK sent the EU was considerably lower, and every official forecast has always shown that savings would be outweighed by the medium-term economic cost."
Source: The Nuffield Trust*

Are you quoting an expert?

Yes.

@MarshaBradyo

I was relieved that delta kept steady which meant we didn’t have to increase restrictions

Yes public changed behaviour and it cost £1bn extra if not more as media campaigns are as effective as restrictions

Which restrictions do you want to introduce?

Ask an expert? i don't want any restrictions, who would? but equally i don't want my DD quitting the NHS because she is destroyed by the work load and/or we have millions waiting for treatment.

But why has the R o Europe got restrictions and we have not?

What we have is "have a great NY, be cautious (yeah right) and get tested with non existent LF tests"

Its not a policy, its a gamble.

But why has the R o Europe got restrictions and we have not?

England does have restrictions, just fewer than in many other countries.

Also, much of the "R o Europe" has rates as high or higher than England, so it's an open question whether more 'restrictions', short of a full lockdown, would help. Saying, 'Oh, Y countries are doing X so we should too" isn't much of an argument without data to support it.

Its not a policy, its a gamble.

Oft course it's a gamble. This is a fast moving, unprecedented situation. Imposing 'restrictions' which could cause great harm to the economy, without being sure they will have the desired impact, is also a gamble. Everyone is shooting in the dark to some extent.

@jgw1

Thats the consequence of the last 10 years of Tory NHS austerity.

It was the EU that mandated the economic policy that we had to follow, now we are free of the yoke of foreign interference we can invest £350million a week in the NHS.

Yes, and unicorns exist.

Would you like to buy a bridge from me in a nice leafy London suburb?

Great deal for you.

The only restriction England has is self-isolation. That is it.

@RoyalFamilyFan

The only restriction England has is self-isolation. That is it.

Indoor masks and vaccine passports, admittedly in very few venues.

Not a lot, I agree, but I'd like to know which particular 'restrictions' people would like to see introduced, and on what basis.

I actually forgot indoor masks as so few people are wearing them.
Vaccine passports are only relevant to enormous gatherings.

They were to prevent the health services becoming overwhelmed.
True and at the moment they are in danger of becoming overwhelmed. So much so that the Government is opening temporary hospitals in car parks.
If hospitals fill up with COVID cases they can't do other things and elective operations will be cancelled.

@RoyalFamilyFan

I actually forgot indoor masks as so few people are wearing them. Vaccine passports are only relevant to enormous gatherings.

We only need to wear indoor masks when we aren't with our usual household.

Indoor masks are being worn everywhere in shops etc in my experience ( currently avoiding shops as much as I can! but we have just come back from a 3 day mini holiday, travelling through 4 counties, to see family, and masks were being worn in the service station/ Costa/ Waitrose etc)

@IcedPurple

But why has the R o Europe got restrictions and we have not?

England does have restrictions, just fewer than in many other countries.

Also, much of the "R o Europe" has rates as high or higher than England, so it's an open question whether more 'restrictions', short of a full lockdown, would help. Saying, 'Oh, Y countries are doing X so we should too" isn't much of an argument without data to support it.

Its not a policy, its a gamble.

Oft course it's a gamble. This is a fast moving, unprecedented situation. Imposing 'restrictions' which could cause great harm to the economy, without being sure they will have the desired impact, is also a gamble. Everyone is shooting in the dark to some extent.

You don't gamble during a Pandemic.

That is why Pandemic Management Plans exist and why you simulate pandemics to be prepared.

Problem in England is we have a populist PM who seems to think he needs to poll the population first before making any decisions.

Thats why the UK is always the worst hit. Every single time.

Boosterism won't save you here
Nationalism won't save you here
Whataboutism won't save you either

The way out of a Pandemic is preparation and proper decision-making.

And no, you do not take a poll before you have to make unpopular decisions. You simply do it quickly and communicate it.

See: Sturgeon from Scotland.

Thats how an effective leaders acts.

*See: Sturgeon from Scotland.

Thats how an effective leaders acts.*

An 'effective leader' presiding over rates similar to England's.

I get that you're obsessed with England being uniquely awful, but pretty much every country in Europe is dealing with the same situation right now. They're all more or les making it up as they go along, as would be expected in a rapidly evolving situation. That might be different in the magical mystery Omnicron free land you chose to jet off to during a pandemic, but that's the reality in much of the world.

@IcedPurple

*See: Sturgeon from Scotland.

Thats how an effective leaders acts.*

An 'effective leader' presiding over rates similar to England's.

I get that you're obsessed with England being uniquely awful, but pretty much every country in Europe is dealing with the same situation right now. They're all more or les making it up as they go along, as would be expected in a rapidly evolving situation. That might be different in the magical mystery Omnicron free land you chose to jet off to during a pandemic, but that's the reality in much of the world.

There is no "if" here.

England right now is a chaotic, populist mess.

i don't want any restrictions, who would?

Well we agree then, you don’t want restrictions either.

but equally i don't want my DD quitting the NHS because she is destroyed by the work load

Then you’ll need restrictions or accept it as it is. Unless you have another option?

As for ‘boosterism’ by pp . Funny I suppose we also have lockdownism / restrictionism from some on here too.

England right now is a chaotic, populist mess
As much as I wish this were not true, unfortunately it is. England has a dysfunctional government and it is making this whole situation worse.

@InCahootswithOrwell

Just had a quick look at an article in the British Medical Journal...

"A wide range of viral infections, including coronavirus infections, are capable of triggering a post viral fatigue syndrome .

Many people with long covid have fluctuating clusters of symptoms ... that are consistent with a post viral fatigue syndrome (PVFS)"

I'm no medical professional, but this seems to indicate long Covid is a form of, or at least comparable to post viral fatigue from other viruses?

Not quite. Long covid is an umbrella term for several syndromes, one of which is a post-viral fatigue syndrome. So like other viruses, Covid can cause post-viral fatigue but not all people with long covid have PVFSas even mild covid can cause physiological changes which also come under the umbrella of long covid.