Insane panic

[Acidburn]

Hi All
I feel like the majority of people around me have lost the plot really. If Omicron is essentially a cold (for the vaxxinated people) then why is everyone so scared of it? Why is there a conversation for more restrictions to come? Why do we need restrictions to fight a common cold (which is what Omicron is apparently)? In New Zealand and South Africa they have removed all the restrictions, because it just a cold ffs - people don't even self isolate anymore if they get it! Why the panic mode again?
I suppose for those who chose not to get vaccinated - it might be more than a common cold. But then it's a consequence of their own choice - I'm sure they thought it through.

So why do we panick again?

Acidburn

What you have is no excuse.

Engage your brain.

@PAFMO so maybe in this case we should stop isolating all together? We don't isolate if we get flu - we take some paracetamol, otrivin spray and crack on. Not everyone with Omicron will have fever, it might be just runny nose and a bit of sore throat, why do we have to isolate for that?

@Cattitudes

I do personally think we are getting towards the point where you only isolate if symptomatic and shorter quarantine but that will rely on employers not forcing people in who are unwell to come in and I don't have much faith in employers to do that.

I am beginning to think this as well. There seems to be a lot of focus in the media on how mild the new variant is, and how many industries are struggling with staff who are isolating but well enough to work and how this is going to cause the workforce to grind to a halt.

I’m in two minds really, I don’t know how I feel about it. I can see both sides.

I worried about more restrictions but I'm not worried about catching it. I know so many people with it right now, every one of them has said they've had worse colds, some have had barely any symptoms at all.

[quote Acidburn]@PAFMO so maybe in this case we should stop isolating all together? We don't isolate if we get flu - we take some paracetamol, otrivin spray and crack on. Not everyone with Omicron will have fever, it might be just runny nose and a bit of sore throat, why do we have to isolate for that?[/quote]
Er, no.

@Cattitudes I don't spend my life worrying about things like that. In my entire life I've never required hospital treatment for anything other than giving birth so the odds of it suddenly happening now are vanishingly small. My parents aren't elderly either so I would hope they wouldn't have a stroke at their age! (48 and 52, both healthy).

Not everyone with Omicron will have fever, it might be just runny nose and a bit of sore throat, why do we have to isolate for that?

Because the unvaccinated could end up in ICU meaning if you or I have a car crash the hospital may be full.

We are essentially isolaing for the benefit of the unvaccinated.

I strongly suggested engaging in reading materials from front line workers, particularly in health care. Particularly in America where "let it rip" has been the approach.

Globally, health care systems are falling apart from COVID.

It's great you're vaccinated and low risk, but while there remains a significant percentage of people unvaxxed restrictions health care systems cannot survive.

As an example, person a is in a car accident with critical injuries. Pre covid, person a would be in ICU/critical care with 1 to 1 nursing and be prioritised for surgery. Post covid, nursing may be 6 to 1 and there are no surgeons as they have tested positive.

We need to see the bigger picture of unvaxxed impact to health care.

[quote Acidburn]@PAFMO so maybe in this case we should stop isolating all together? We don't isolate if we get flu - we take some paracetamol, otrivin spray and crack on. Not everyone with Omicron will have fever, it might be just runny nose and a bit of sore throat, why do we have to isolate for that?[/quote]
Yes, agree with this too. At some point this will have to happen.

Another ignorant post

@YellowMonday I completely agree with you. I just didn't want to make this thread about "non-vaxxed people being risk to society", because the minute I write that - there will be an army of those protecting their rights to not get a jab. Which is true, they do have that right. What is the answer then? I have no clue.

@Chloemol

Another ignorant post

From takemine? Yes, I agree, extremely ignorant and unpleasant .

@littlepeas I am not saying to to self isolate at all. But i think it needs to be case by case scenario. We can't go on like this, people self isolating at home with runny nose will be way more damaging to the economy!

@Waxonwaxoff0 do you have grandparents?

Op, you asked a load of questions to which there are credible answers in the public domain, as if you didn't know the answers. You were making assumptions about risk to the populace and driving forward an extremely disingenuous laissez faire policy. Given your ignorance, as demonstrated in asking questions most decently informed people now know the answers to, I assumed that you need to inform yourself. Now I realise you're perfectly capable of informing youself and probably already have, you just don't give a monkeys.

If you want to say screw everyone else, I'm all about me, there are more honest ways to do it then start a fake confused thread.

Your thread from 8/12 OP, on the unvaccinated taking up hospital beds? The one that you are very pro-vaccine on?

How come you're now essentially minimizing the virus?

Bit of an about turn.

OP I agree people do appear to be in a panic and it seems disproportionate, on the face of it . And I'm sick sick sick of this "NHS will be overwhelmed" business : if the government had been funding the NHS properly it wouldn't be "overwhelmed" would it.
And @Takemine - what a dickhead comment about OP's spelling 😂

"You can't spell panic which makes me think you either have dyslexia or don't have the benefit of further education."

She doesn't sound uneducated or dyslexic (or unpleasant or nasty, unlike your good self).

It’s not about us though is it really? I’m speaking as someone on day 4 of Covid. I feel rubbish can barely get out of bed but for me it’s just extreme fatigue and I’m fine really. BUT what it does affect is the number of staff in the NHS who have to stay at home because transmitting it to sick people in hospital is much more serious. I don’t know how else we stop this happening? I think most of us are doing very regular LFs to try and protect the NHS and our very elderly family. We can’t just stop testing etc can we?

@Bouncer500

"You can't spell panic which makes me think you either have dyslexia or don't have the benefit of further education."

She doesn't sound uneducated or dyslexic (or unpleasant or nasty, unlike your good self).

Fully agree with this!

I don’t know anyone who’s panicking but most are taking sensible precautions. I tested before I saw my parents but told them not to worry as I’ve had 3 vaccines and avoided it on two occasions within my household so I’ll take the risk as I wanted to see them. We had a fantastic Boxing Day with them. Sensible isn’t panicking. South Africa isn’t overly compatible I’m told as their variant testing is great but other data not reliable and different climate etc makes it a different scenario (from our emergency dept clinical lead consultant who is South African and unable to visit his family due to the restrictions). We’ve had less restrictions than other countries at the moment but most are quite localised so not reported in our media.

@Takemine this is a public forum, people are allwed to have opinions. If you don't like it - leave the thread. First you tried to insult me, then you said that I don't care. I care very much by the way - I had all my jabs that I was supposed to - apparently to protect people like you, who immediately started being rude to me for no reason. People have rights to different opinions - thats how Democracy works. Deal with it.

However, nhs is overwhelmed largely due to failings in social care (which isolation periods for staff are emphasising but the issues are there regardless). If medically fit patients could go home with carers then the hospitals wouldn’t be bursting.

@PAFMO there is no turn in this - I still believe that people who choose not to have vaccines are in the wrong. Yes, the are lawfully allowed to do so, but it still makes them selfish. But this thread is about something else.

I don't know anyone who is panicking, much less insanely. We went on holiday abroad before Christmas, my parents went on holiday over Christmas, my sister in law tested positive on Christmas Eve so they stayed home and postponed the family do for 2 weeks. Meh.