4th Jab: when will enough be enough?

[Idontgiveaf324]

I just read in the paper that scientists are considering introducing a second booster, ie the fourth vaccine in less than a year. Obviously everyone is rushing to get their third booster at the moment but I was interested in finding out whether any of you have a ‘tipping point’ beyond which you will say no more? Or are people happy to just continue being vaccinated whenever the story changes as to what is actually needed to combat the virus? FYI I have had my first two jabs (which I was assured would protect me until I am now told that I am soon to be classed as ‘unvaccinated’). I wouldn’t describe myself as anti-vax but I feel there is a limit. So what is your tipping point? 4 jabs? 5? 6? Or unlimited?

I get a flu jag every year. How is it different?

[quote DSGR]@Surmeslevres which European doctor was that? No scientist in the UK (and we have some of the world’s best) thinks that will be the case.
As to the original question, il take unlimited until we are out of the pandemic and until the virus settles down (which it will). Then I’ll happily have my annual vaccine[/quote]
Okay so what are they saying? That the fourth one will definitely be it? Because I remember them saying one jab then two then three. Now four. Within a very short time frame. They have not been consistent with their message which leads to loss of confidence from the public. How do we know that they won’t soon say that a fifth one is needed and that that one will definitely be the last? Until they start talking about the sixth.

I had nasty side effects from my first two jabs and have a friend who had severe fatigue for a month. Yes I know that many others will know people with long Covid and those who have died from it. I know it’s a risk whatever you do but I’m not liking the constant changing message on this.

@stargirl1701

I get a flu jag every year. How is it different?

Most of the population doesn’t get a flu jab and aren’t told to get one. It’s an individual choice with no stigma for not getting one, such as being told you can’t visit restaurants. Also, flu jabs aren’t subject to constant change in discourse as to how effective it is. You’re not told you need one a year and then three weeks later you’re told you need two, maybe three.

I'd be happy with an annual booster but not more regular than that.

They'd just combine it with the flu jab hopefully.

I'm not vulnerable but work in public services so get the flu jab as a moral obligation to those I work with and the simple fact there's not enough staff to tolerate high levels of winter sickness.

I'm double vaccinated and would have been boostered if I hadn't of caught covid.
If I'd been offered a covid booster when I was offered a flu jab I might now have caught it. I'll have been off work for almost 25 days by the time DS finishes his isolation. That will be a combination of having household and my own cases. Its silly and can't go on.

Vaccines educate your immune system so they are ready to attack if a specific invader appears. Won't stop you catching the virus but your body is ready to fight it if you catch it. Some bodies fight back better than others. But the more they are educated the better they fight.

Does that help ?

Okay so what are they saying? That the fourth one will definitely be it? Because I remember them saying one jab then two then three. Now four. Within a very short time frame. They have not been consistent with their message which leads to loss of confidence from the public. How do we know that they won’t soon say that a fifth one is needed and that that one will definitely be the last? Until they start talking about the sixth.

No one has said that the vaccine would ever be a one-and-done thing because that's not how vaccines work.

Israelis are moving to 4th jab now, about 10 months after 1st vacc reached most ppl. I wonder if some will start advocating each month boosters - "just to be safe". "You'd do it if you were vitamin deficient so what's the big deal?" Will be that argument.

Yes. I'll take as many as the medical people deem it necessary to take. It's hardly a huge imposition for me, and I don't see it as being that different to having to take some type of regular medication. Though as has already been said, we need to put pressure on government to widen access to vaccines to the rest of the world. This will not be over if we continue to allow the spread worldwide.

All the boosters please, whatever the experts deem necessary. It doesn't bother me at all.

Because I remember them saying one jab then two then three.

That's completely incorrect, vaccine were always meant to be 2 shots at the start, except for J&J, as I understood. I never heard to read vaccine was meant to be one jab, except for some anti vaxxer quoting same statement on numerous different places over and over, like one this one.

There's work going on developing a different type of vaccine which works by another mechanism (i.e. not going for the spike protein) which aims to provide longer lasting protection. Until then I'm happy to keep boosting, I like the idea of not being seriously ill for some reason.

*heard or read

I’m at tipping point. 3 jabs and now I have covid. Had enough.

@mumsneedwine

Flu kills around 60,000 annually on the UK.

Total bollocks. It's between 20,000 and 30,000.

Isn't it interesting how those of us in wealthy western nations can afford to decline a vaccine that people in many 3rd world countries would give their eye teeth for.
And be sniffy about even being offered it.

@BoudecaBains ah that's ok then - just the odd 25,000-30,000 people dead from a disease that is preventable by a vaccine.
Thank you for providing a response (usually works)

They have never said it would be one vaccine, ever. Only J&J is a one shot.. and it’s not v effective

I'm happy to get as many as necessary.

The virus mutates and evolves. Meeting that with boosters makes sense scientifically. It's discouraging to see how many people are incapable of understanding that.

@gannett you are so misinformed. Or an anti-vaxxer just pretending to be this misinformed.
No scientist can guarantee at the start of a pandemic how many vaccines you will need. Of course they can’t, it’s a new virus.
There is no conspiracy there to fool you - can’t you accept that things change and evolve?
If the original Wuhan strain had stayed the same we would be two jabs and done, no need for anymore.
But Covid has mutated heavily and so we need a boost to tackle that. There is no guarantee that it will or won’t change further. We don’t know whether what you’ve had already will be enough to keep on protecting you. Let’s hope so but we don’t know until we see what the virus does.
I’m finding it difficult to understand why people can’t comprehend this?

@Iheartmysmart

I’m currently sat on the sofa under a pile of blankets unable to stop shivering, with a horrific headache, joint pain and nausea which paracetamol and ibuprofen aren’t even touching after my booster yesterday. Had awful side effects from my first two jabs as well so I’m not having any more now.

Temporary side effects - and I had all you are experiencing- are a small price to pay.

If a cancer patient rejected life-saving chemo due to uncomfortable side effects, we'd think they were nuts.

Annual. Currently sat here feeling horrible and unwell, had my booster yesterday and have had long term effects in the muscle in my arm since the first jab (pain and restricted movement, which is a PITA in my job as a dance teacher). No CEV or elderly family members though, but once a year is enough for me, and am annoyed at the ratio of unvaccinated patients in hospital compared to vaccinated, and I’m not referring to the tiny percent who cannot have the jab for medical reasons, I mean the idiot anti vaxxers.

[quote mumsneedwine]@BoudecaBains ah that's ok then - just the odd 25,000-30,000 people dead from a disease that is preventable by a vaccine.
Thank you for providing a response (usually works)[/quote]
Given the vast majority of those people will be within a demographic that are offered the flu vaccine, either 1. They didn’t have it or 2. It didn’t work for them.

Nobody ever said one jab would be enough. Nice try from "I'm not an antivaxxer" OP.

I generally trust medical advice.

Would you say "enough is enough" about any other medication or preventative health care measure? "Took pain killers for period pain for the past 6 months so enough is enough, this month I'll just suffer." or "Seen the dentist for 40 years so enough is enough, not going to have another checkup for the rest of my life now." If not, then why is this different?

@nordica

I generally trust medical advice.

Would you say "enough is enough" about any other medication or preventative health care measure? "Took pain killers for period pain for the past 6 months so enough is enough, this month I'll just suffer." or "Seen the dentist for 40 years so enough is enough, not going to have another checkup for the rest of my life now." If not, then why is this different?

I generally trust medical advice

Not in this case you shouldn't.

The Imperial Collage of London have just release findings that you are 45% less likely to need hospital treatment with the new variant than with the Delta variant.

So it IS mild. Like Africa have been saying this entire time.

Yet we now have a stamped for boosters for a mild strain - taking the vaccines away from people that actually really do need them.

How can people reconcile taking a third vaccine for a mild strain when others are now being delayed for their primary jabs and others around the world have not had a single dose.