I met a real life full on anti vaxxer today

[shiningcuckoo]

And some of her opinions were so out there and aggressive I had to walk away. Apparently if we hadn't vaccinated against measles we'd all be ok because measles provides immunity. And actually measles never hurt anyone. And polio never hurt anyone either. People being seriously ill was a conspiracy designed to get us to accept vaccines back in the day, al" heading towards the greatest conspiracy of all and that is population control and the existence of Covid. She apparently knows loads of "elders" who nursed people through polio. Apparently it's very mild. I asked her to define "elders" and she talked about my generation. My generation were vaccinated. No one had polio, never mind nursed others. And there is no Covid in Africa. And no Covid in Nepal. She knows this because she once went on holiday to Nepal. And she is applying to remove her children from Steiner to homeschool them because vaccinated teachers (it's mandatory here) are a poor moral example. Either that or are being forced . When I said that I didn't know a single teacher who had been vaccinated against their will (and I know loads having been a teacher for 20 years) she said that was just my opinion and one opinion counted for nothing. I had to leave her company.

There are a lot of theories floating around and there may be a grain of truth in some of them

What I can't abide is the endless babbling, the conflicting statements made in the same breath, the idea that it's okay to rubbish someone else's view and they are the only one with the correct information.

It's partly the conflicting info that makes me think they are trolling. They will say one thing to you at the bus stop and then something different to the next person they meet.

@Theunamedcat

I thought I didn't know anyone but it turns out my mom has one leg shorter than the other because of polio

My Mum does too. The farmhand (she lived on a farm) caught it from her and died of it.

@Thelnebriati

My Grandad and his brother were left deafened by rubella when they caught it as toddlers, they ended up in care as a result.

So so sad 😞

A friend is a HCP.Her late ex husband was a anti vaxxer and a Covid conspiracy theorist.He wouldn't take any precautions against it.I strongly suspect that his ExW being a HCP also factored into it as he was very bitter about their divorce.

In the Summer he caught Covid and died leaving 3 devastated teenage daughters to plan his funeral.

I know a few covid deniers and anti vaxxers I know ( the lady at the bus stop I didn't know her we were just chatting ) and they are convinced this is all about control and the great reset and just an experiment ( and to shut all the pubs !)
They wouldn't get the vaccine under any circumstances at all

I've had my fill of this shit - really. Anyone know the latest correct figures re number of Covid patients currently in hospital that are unvaccinated? Last figures I saw were 80-90%? This is the reason we have restrictions coming.

Lately I’ve Been’ve been watching “Dopesick” about OxyContin. The number of people who died or had their lives destroyed as a result is scandalous. So much lying, manipulation and corruption at the heart of that.

I do see how those lies have set the scene for people in some communities in the US to be very, very distrustful of anything drug companies or even the FDA say. They believed what they were told before and it didn’t end well.

When proper abuse a system to maximise profit it really destroys trust and leaves people very vulnerable.

We have been split up for 3 years,. I've know him from a teenager, still friends I'm the contact for his carers. Mum is dead and not close with sisters.

Baby is my husband's who has just had the booster. Took me a while to have a vaccine as my health was under investigation. Now
I get what's wrong wth me day I found out was pregnant, saw the midwife she said go for it. Had it at 9 weeks baby is fine, wiggling for the ultrasound.

But I find with most anti vaxxers they have recent big deaths in family or are looking for attention for blogs etc. Now the vaccine had been out while alot of the reasons people give have been disproved. There are big fertility drs in USA recommending it and if it was effecting the pregnancies they wouldn't as it private health care and would lose business.

There are issues around it that are real such as a very small increase in heart and stroke problems. One of my friends had a family member have stroke after booster but hasn't confirmed the death was investigated and confirmed it was the vaccine fault. Said it was fine as was treated really well when went to hospital over covid. I sure Dr don't have time to have arguments with anti vaxxers, gps dont have time to investigate personal reasons why people can't have it. I've been treated like rubish by both GP and a&e for what turned out through private health very real health problems.

@Legoninjago1

I've had my fill of this shit - really. Anyone know the latest correct figures re number of Covid patients currently in hospital that are unvaccinated? Last figures I saw were 80-90%? This is the reason we have restrictions coming.

The UKHSA has put the figure at 36%.

www.charitytoday.co.uk/full-fact-doctor-hillary-jones-claim-90-of-people-in-hospital-are-unvaccinated-is-wrong-its-36/

That claim has been doing the rounds and corrected by health authorities since October. I don't know how it can still be going round.

I don't do media, I prefer the stats.

Hilary Jones said to go swimming in a mask. Trolls trying to anger more trolls. No wonder people are going mad.

I scheduled a plumber to do 5-figure refurbishment of my house in the New Year. I told him he needed to wear a mask in the property, due to clinical vulnerability amongst occupants. He refused and said he wasn't having any vaccines as it was against God's will. Covid was vengeance on sinners, apparently. I have given the job to someone else as I loathe anti-vaxxers and don't feel confident that he is capable of professional work with that sort of approach to life.

Dsd and her dp anti vax /mask [why should I?] They tell us dc has not had any vaccinations from birth and not going to either.
We say nothing but judge in private esp. re; dgc.

Polio vaccine was at some point adminstered on a sugar cube.

In my youth rubella (then called German measles) was widely known to give rise to birth defects, and pregnant women kept clear of people with rashes, as it was hard to distinguish it from other illnesses.

Having it conferred immunity. So did the vaccine, developed before MMR, routinely given to adolescnt girls, thus saving many children from birth defects.

To be honest I don’t really care about their opinions, what I do hate is when they keep trying to convince others . I have one friend who is constantly posting videos and false statements on her Fb page plus sending me messages. I just keep snoozing her .

No I wasn't thinking of Hilary Jones - is he still on TV?! Chris Whitty had a slide at the last briefing I believe and a spokesman for Kings College Hospital recently stated that 80-90% currently in London's critical care beds are unvaccinated.

Just to be clear on the 36% stats:

• they look to be a month old
• immunity is waning hence the need for boosters (which is akin to not being vaxed)
• sadly some people who are vaxed fall into the immunosupressed group

So a headline of 90% are unvaccinated is incorrect but a statement of only 36% doesn’t tell the whole story either.

Lies, damn lies and statistics eh.

@Pensieve

Just to be clear on the 36% stats:

• they look to be a month old
• immunity is waning hence the need for boosters (which is akin to not being vaxed)
• sadly some people who are vaxed fall into the immunosupressed group

So a headline of 90% are unvaccinated is incorrect but a statement of only 36% doesn’t tell the whole story either.

Lies, damn lies and statistics eh.

I think the 80-90% is critical care / ITU as opposed to overall admissions 'with Covid' though?

My anti everything friend used to post things on fb , but gone a bit quite lately. I just scroll on past.

I don't know them personally, but I did hear a story of a friend of a friend who had a covid denier husband back in March 2020 and he ended up on a ventilator. He is ok now.
He was happy to be vaccinated , but probably wouldn't have bothered of he hadn't ended up so poorly in hospital!
It's how it affects you than can determine how you react to the news and the conspiracy theories and it can be Chinese whispers.

I loathe anti vaxxers, absolutely no respect for them. My family member is deaf due to measles years ago. I'd rather my kids have the vaccine than risk deafness.

@Dontgetyerknicksinatwist

There was a large vaccination event at our local community hub recently and there were a load of anti vaxers lined up outside shouting abuse at the people queuing up to get their jabs.

I'm sure there must be anti-vaxxers quietly going about the business of being anti-vaccine, but anti-vaxxer gobshites outside vaccination centres shouting at those who don't buy into their delusional beliefs would definitely benefit from being told to pipe the fuck down by the local constabulary.

Protest all you like about anything but, frankly, people queuing up to be vaccinated, many probably worried about contracting Covid and infecting their friends and family don't need this bullshit to contend with.

Anti-vaxxers don't care how their shitty, ill-conceived, irrational beliefs affect anyone else, all they're doing is reacting to half-truths and blatant lies like rats reacting to lab tests - their textbook, set-your-watch by their lunacy responses need ignoring at best and potentially investigating for coercive control at worst - in cases where family members actively prevent their relatives from getting vaccinated.

The cramming five years of research on the vaccine into 5 months perhaps has worried some people.
And the fact they're now going to be looking at boosters every 3-6 months is insane. The health service needs to operate as a health service, not a jabbing useless rubbish into people's arms constantly.

You can't kill the economy for a cold. But we have.

@Legoninjago1

Yes I think that’s right. I was replying to @DaisyNGO who was ‘correcting’ a poster up thread 🙂

@mumda

The cramming five years of research on the vaccine into 5 months perhaps has worried some people. And the fact they're now going to be looking at boosters every 3-6 months is insane. The health service needs to operate as a health service, not a jabbing useless rubbish into people's arms constantly.

You can't kill the economy for a cold. But we have.

Oh dear. One has found the thread!!!

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/17/humour-over-rumour-taiwan-fake-news
'Inoculating people from misinformation and tackling the “infodemic” are key to fighting the coronavirus. Tang, Taiwan’s first transgender government minister and a self-described “civic hacker”, has done this by fostering digital democracy: using technology to encourage civic participation and build consensus.

Tang has also quashed faked news by implementing a 2-2-2 “humour over rumour” strategy. A response to misinformation is provided within 20 minutes, in 200 words or fewer, alongside two fun images. Early in the pandemic, for example, people were panic-buying toilet paper because of a rumour that it was being used to manufacture face masks; supplies were running out. So, the Taiwanese premier, Su Tseng-chang, released a cartoon of him wiggling his bum, with a caption saying: “We only have one pair of buttocks.” It sounds silly, but it went viral. Humour can be far more effective than serious fact-checking.'

I find this so interesting. Taiwan apparently has more fake news targeted at its citizens than any country on account of China. Hence there are whole teams in government who work to combat such fake news. Audrey Tang, its digital minister, said in an interview that sarcasm/mocking the person/censorship often just means the person believes the conspiracy theory even more strongly. Hence while they have teams of fact checkers at grassroots level (some are middle school students), the government's aim is to respond to each conspiracy theory with a funny post within 60 minutes. Due to the fast paced nature of the social media 'news cycle', you need to hit it head one before it is disseminated on a mass scale to the public. Perhaps we should adopt such methods to respond to the anti vaxxers in our lives- use humour.

[quote Pensieve]@Legoninjago1

Yes I think that’s right. I was replying to @DaisyNGO who was ‘correcting’ a poster up thread 🙂[/quote]
Yep I agree with you too. At the end of the day, if our daily freedoms - for the foreseeable future - are to be based on these sodding numbers, then we deserve the full unadulterated picture, including who and what is dragging them down.

Or that should probably say pushing them up.