I met a real life full on anti vaxxer today

[shiningcuckoo]

And some of her opinions were so out there and aggressive I had to walk away. Apparently if we hadn't vaccinated against measles we'd all be ok because measles provides immunity. And actually measles never hurt anyone. And polio never hurt anyone either. People being seriously ill was a conspiracy designed to get us to accept vaccines back in the day, al" heading towards the greatest conspiracy of all and that is population control and the existence of Covid. She apparently knows loads of "elders" who nursed people through polio. Apparently it's very mild. I asked her to define "elders" and she talked about my generation. My generation were vaccinated. No one had polio, never mind nursed others. And there is no Covid in Africa. And no Covid in Nepal. She knows this because she once went on holiday to Nepal. And she is applying to remove her children from Steiner to homeschool them because vaccinated teachers (it's mandatory here) are a poor moral example. Either that or are being forced . When I said that I didn't know a single teacher who had been vaccinated against their will (and I know loads having been a teacher for 20 years) she said that was just my opinion and one opinion counted for nothing. I had to leave her company.

Anti vaxxers are deluded. They ignore science and would rather believe those with zero scientific education.

@HailAdrian

There’s no moral equivalence when one group merely causes feelings to be hurt and the other causes actual harm.

As far as I can gather, you can still catch and spread covid if you've been vaccinated. As for 'the unvaccinated' hogging hospital beds, this is debatable, at least on here.

Ding ding ding! Found one of the “subtle” anti-vaxxers!

@JessieLongleg

My ex is a anti vaxxer think it cos he lost his mother at the beginning of lockdown. Can't have a chat without him finishing it off with anti vax stuff. Like yesterday he rang to check my 12 week scan went well and at the end he mentioned that the vaccine increases miscarriage. Which has be shown to be false now ffs.

Thank goodness he’s already your ex at 12 weeks pregnant @JessieLongleg. Well done you!

Thankfully I've only come into contact with one anti vaxxer.

When spouting her nonsense to me, not only about the Covid vaccine, but all other vaccinations including measles being the cause of autism, she was lost for words when I replied that I haven't had the measles vaccine (too old) and I'm autistic.

I lost my hearing at a very young age due to measles. My neighbour died from polio.

Idiot.

@Stuckandinamess

A doctor friend of mine has well and truly disappeared so far down the rabbit hole it's unreal. I cannot talk to her anymore and have ceased contact as you can't even keep to 'safe' topics, she is on a one woman mission to tell you 'the truth". Anything and everything is in there- Covid is a way of controlling us, microchips in vaccines, high profile people in satanic child abuse rings. I am lucky I can distance myself but feel sorry for her family and colleagues

Is she still working?

I wonder if she is the type I mentioned - the rabid anti vaxxer who is actually vaxxed.

I have to say, Covid and/or social media has exposed a lot of things about people that I didn't want to know, but I am not sure if even half of what they say is a real belief.

My parents have a couple of friends who were classic NHS time wasters pre Covid. Now they are constantly on the phone with nonsensical covid "stats" from social media. It's the same principle - complete lack of calm and balanced attitude, and in some cases a desire for attention.

@SunflowersintheShade
I sincerely think that the school curriculum should include the history of public health and the conditions for ordinary people before modern medicine and the NHS. One of the problems as PPs have posted is that so many people are ignorant of how precarious life was before antiseptics, antibiotics and vaccines and, of course, access to free medical care.
If children were made aware also of the strange theories people believed in the past maybe they’d be more sceptical about these crazy conspiracy theories

I've got one on facebook.
They are currently very unwell in hospital with unrelated illness, but loudly refusing vaccine, also informed docs that they did not want a blood transfusion should they require one, after surgery (because blood may come from donors that have had vaccine)

They have been very vocal about covid and been to many of the demonstrations.
Veyr strange.

My uncle says if you have the vaccine, the devil has his mark on you so you go to hell. He completely believes in covid and says he’s happier to die of covid than to have a vaccine, survive and ultimately end up in hell with the devil.

That said, vaccine injuries are very real. They are rare, but having a vaccine does carry risk. Less risk than the disease, but still a risk. Over 70 people in the UK died due to AZ. I’ve had 2xAZ myself - got handed the blood clot sheet (end of May) but decided to get the vaccine and hope for the best. I don’t think it’s valuable to pretend that all those refusing vaccines are halfwits or to ostracise them.

@Mrsjayy

They are probably not old enough to know anybody who had polio I knew a few older people who were left permanently disabled because of it, someone I know had a brain injury caused by measles. I've family members who ate antivaxxers they are absolutely bonkers!

Antivaxxers are bonkers but I don’t think your family members should eat them

I would have loved this person to have had a chat with my mum and heard her story about her sister.

My, would be, aunt had a best friend who, unbeknownst to anyone until after the event, was a carrier of diphtheria. She had no symptoms but, through sharing food, she passed it onto my aunt.

My aunt's throat became so infected that she couldn't swallow. Within a few days she couldn't breathe as the throat began to swell up. No antibiotics, no effective treatment and about four years before a vaccine became available, she died in agony at the age of ten.

My mum remembered the GP literally throwing his bike into a hedge as he rushed down the road having got the results of the swabs on her sister's throat. He was shouting 'get the children out of the house it's diphtheria, get them out!' My mum had to live with a neighbour for two weeks whilst her sister died a few doors away. My mum was eight and, when she had us, we had every jab as did she. She saw too many friends contract that and polio, measles and rubella to assume immunity would kick in. It didn't then, even though it was rife, and it won't today. Kids in callipers, deafness and blindness all caused by 'mild' (nowadays) illnesses. Only mild now because we have vaccinations.

I know a 9 year old who is profoundly deaf from
Catching measles as a baby. And I have a great aunt left disabled from Polio. Anti Vaxxers are talking out their holes…

@Tillymintpolo

My mum’s older brother died of polio at 18 months in the pre vax days, it destroyed my gran. These people have never known a pre vax world, they are idiots

Yes, one of my father’s relatives spent her life wheelchair bound thanks to polio.

I think you’ve hit the nail on the head - they have been fortunate enough to grown up in a part of the world that is pretty much free of diseases and illnesses that routinely killed or disabled people three generations and more ago.

It’s a first-world “privilege”to refuse (free, routine) vaccines, and a sign, IMO, of stupidity of immense proportions.

I remember my brother and sister both having measles in the 70s. Strangely I didn't get it from them. Now why would that be? Oh yes I had the measles vaccine at primary school.

I'm not sure why my sister and brother weren't vaccinated but I know they did stop giving the single jab for some reason.

I do remember that when I was born Mum's GP didn't think that babies should have the smallpox jab at birth so I had it when I was about 6 or 7 and it wasn't nice. I'm not sure why he had that view.

Cindie943811A Vaccinations and how things used to be, in diseases such as measles, is part of the GCSE Biology specification now, which is good.

Not an anti vaxxer as such ( she said she has had all the jabs ) but I was chatting to a woman at the bus stop one day and she said that she knows someone who works in a hospital and the figures are being manipulated and people are being put down as covid when it's not ( when they die)
As well as the anti vaccine points of views there are also things like this floating around too and have been since day one.
So many conspiracy theories, it's hard to know who to believe.
So many people are skeptical.
Your lady ,op, does sound very unhinged though.

[quote Cindie943811A]@SunflowersintheShade
I sincerely think that the school curriculum should include the history of public health and the conditions for ordinary people before modern medicine and the NHS. One of the problems as PPs have posted is that so many people are ignorant of how precarious life was before antiseptics, antibiotics and vaccines and, of course, access to free medical care.
If children were made aware also of the strange theories people believed in the past maybe they’d be more sceptical about these crazy conspiracy theories[/quote]
Totally agree with this. We don’t realise how fortunate we are.

I had measles and mumps as a child in the 1970s. Thankfully no lasting damage but I do remember my father being concerned about it affecting his fertility when he developed it, too.

It was thanks to antivaxxers that I caught whooping cough a few years ago. I was out of action for nearly 3 months. Not fun, but at least not seriously life-threatening.

Two of my DDs did not have the whooping cough vax - many years ago - they are now adults with families of their own. She was very ill for nearly a year - she caught chicken pox whilst recovering from whooping cough. She has never fully recovered - she has been prone to chest problems ever since.

Why did she not have the vax? - be3caquse there was a scare on at the time and even her Dad (a doctor) did not press for her to have it - why? ....because vaccination had virtually wiped it out and he had never see a case in his career.

Do not trust Mother Earth - she is out to get you! Honestly, it drives me mad when people equate natural with good or harmless - nature is kill or be killed and full of dangers that science has helped us to overcome.

They're very lucky that nothing like that has ever affected them. And they'll remain ignorant until it does.

Met one too. Told me the ICU are full of people who are vaccinated BECAUSE of taking the vaccine. And half of all people who got vaccinated have died. Said the ICU have been full of vaccinated young people since January. When I pointed out that young people weren’t being offered the vaccine in January so how could they be sick with it in ICU. He said his friend was an ICU nurse so he knew. Cant reason with crazy! What makes it worse is he’s a university educated healthcare worker.

I think Mother Earth would say that when we moved to living in cities we started to make it impossible for her to look after us, as far as communicable diseases are concerned.

The Grim Reaper might persuade the Anti-Vaxers of the error of their ways but it would probably be too late for them

I fully respect a persons right not to have the jabs but a case of please don’t put others at risk as that is being selfish not thinking of others

It’s a numbers game and I for one don’t want to be a number on the death list due to CV19

I have noticed a marked increase in my 5G signal though as well as software improvement updates to the nano bots injected in my 3 jabs to date 👍👍😹

My Grandad and his brother were left deafened by rubella when they caught it as toddlers, they ended up in care as a result.

@Twizbe

Do you want to tell your friend that my uncle lost the use of his arm to Polio?

My aunt lost her hearing in one ear due to measles

My husband lost a testicle to mumps

Thank god for vaccines huh?

One of my neighbours spent his life in a wheelchair after having measles in childhood as his legs were affected.

i live with a Covid denier