I'm DONE with Covid, omicron and want to get on with my life - is anyone else with me?

[coatilove]

Honestly at this point I'm done with it, I'm surprised people are complying so much with mask wearing and everything else - I thought the vaccine was freedom. Turns out I was wrong.

I've had enough - I'm not wearing my mask indoors and hope if there's a lockdown every business keeps its doors open and boycotts the decision.

I'm really surprised people are being so compliant, even if they have natural immunity and have been jagged (I have now had Covid and both jabs)

I can't be selfless anymore and keep getting boosters to protect others and stopping life, constant anxiety, life I feel should be going on now. Enough sacrifices have been made.

Aware I'll get flamed, but at the end of my tether with all of this now.

There are plenty of diseases that kill people, we have to accept the death rate now enough is enough.

If you've been vaccinated then what else do you intend to do? If you haven't then more fool you.

@mustbetheseasonofthebitch

I find it odd people are blithely downplaying what to me is a particularly horrible style of death.

Dementia is by far the worst style of death. Years of decline. Covid kills in a few days in most cases. I know which I would prefer for me and mine, although I'd quite like to avoid both for the moment.

@TheKeatingFive

Would you accept no mental health resources for your child because staff and funding are spent on ICU beds?

Plenty of people are actually in this position right now and have no choice but to accept it.

Mental health resources were inadequate way before covid.

It's the suffocating bit... YMMV.

Would you accept your dad's death from Covid without a murmur that there's no bed available due to the Covid surge? Or simply because they're rationing care and he's not deserving enough?

The bottom line is that we don't have enough health care resource.

That was the case before covid and is much worse now.

The U.K. expects healthcare that covers everything and is free at the point of delivery. But they don't want to pay more tax for it.

That's the fundamental issue and unless we have a proper conversation about how to square that circle, it isn't going to change.

I see we have another wave of posters who can't differentiate between 'inadequate' healthcare services (resource constrained, limited funding, lack of beds) and non-existent healthcare services (doors are shut, no-ones coming).

@keepOutOfTheFridgeDerek

I agree with you. But you'll get lots of hateful replies here from people who believe any kind of shit as long as it's on the news or from the government. But on here if you argue against the narrative, you'll be labelled a conspiracy theorist. Although really a 'conspiracy theorist' is actually just someone who questions shit they've been told. IMO the stupid ones are those who just accept what they are told, do what they are told and never questioned the insanity of this situation.

I am not wearing mask in public and limiting social contact because the goverment has told me too! im doing because im using my brain which has common sense and that is what ive decided to do as u dont want it before christmas! 🤯

I see we have another wave of posters who can't differentiate between 'inadequate' healthcare services (resource constrained, limited funding, lack of beds) and non-existent healthcare services (doors are shut, no-ones coming).

I have first hand experience of the latter.

My FIL died before our eyes of a heart attack because the ambulance didn't get there in time.

That was 2017.

I find the expectation that the nhs would be there to 'save' people at the best of times a bit quaint.

@TheKeatingFive

I see we have another wave of posters who can't differentiate between 'inadequate' healthcare services (resource constrained, limited funding, lack of beds) and non-existent healthcare services (doors are shut, no-ones coming).

I have first hand experience of the latter.

My FIL died before our eyes of a heart attack because the ambulance didn't get there in time.

That was 2017.

I find the expectation that the nhs would be there to 'save' people at the best of times a bit quaint.

Then your attitude is even more shocking.

I think we need to think about how people die to, it's inevitable it's going to happen to everyone, but I believe that we've all got the right to die as pain and anxiety free as possible

Very much agree with this, Maverickess, especially as it recognises that we're all going to die at some point and looks at the wider picture

As Keating also rightly said, we need a conversation around all of this instead of pretending it's not going to happen, and when that conversation's eventually had it might be nice if there's something left with which to support people, instead of throwing absolutely everything at a virus which, in the end, we may not be able to do all that much about

Then your attitude is even more shocking.

I don't give a flying what you think about my attitude.

But periodically locking people down, for the foreseeable, with no thought to the costs of that to society, to keep a barely functioning service half operating (and in particular so we don't have to face hard questions about that) is damn stupid.

@mustbetheseasonofthebitch

How many deaths are pleasant?

Most are able to be palliated nowadays.

Covid deaths, when services are overwhelmed, are horrifying.

Any death when services are overwhelmed can be horrible. Palliative care and medication exists to make it easier, less painful, less frightening. But it only works if there are people free to administer it in enough time for it to work. It's not just those dying of covid that die, and surely if they can't be saved, or the best thing to do is let someone go then we should really be able do that humanely. That doesn't happen when services are overwhelmed, I've seen it first hand and it's had a deep effect, and I'm not even at the 'sharp' end.

@TheKeatingFive

Then your attitude is even more shocking.

I don't give a flying what you think about my attitude.

But periodically locking people down, for the foreseeable, with no thought to the costs of that to society, to keep a barely functioning service half operating (and in particular so we don't have to face hard questions about that) is damn stupid.

Likewise.

Where have I mentioned lockdown in any of my posts?

Try actually reading what I write and not coming back with make up claptrap.

I find the expectation that the nhs would be there to 'save' people at the best of times a bit quaint

This too, Keating
I'm extremely sorry to hear about your dad, buy yes - IME this extreme faith in the NHS is misplaced and has been for years

Try actually reading what I write and not coming back with make up claptrap.

Try reading mine. I've been clear about the mitigation's I am prepared to do long term, though I'm not sure they make any difference.

@TheKeatingFive I find your general stance quite nihilistic.

Yes we all die, yes medical advancements can only achieve so much and there is a debate on whether it should just because it can but that doesn’t mean than we should all roll over and just die. That goes against every natural survival instinct that people commonly hold.

As we’re currently seeing to some extent, allowing people to make their own risk assessments still results in economic harm and everything that comes with that and the wider effects on peoples psyche long term. Perhaps society should be more prepared for this to all go to shit no matter what we do, but I guarantee you the mild unrest you can find now would turn into something far uglier quickly once people are deprived of hope. Society is fragile and that survival instinct is strong. Once people have no investment or hope in their own future it’s very difficult to pull people back to find a common aim.

You may be comfortable in your acceptance of death and suffering as an inevitability but that’s not an easy message to convey to a whole population without triggering some serious reactions.

The rest of the world is again, quite understandably, horrified - and baffled at our let the bodies pile up and ruin the NHS and economy approach.

Eugenics lite. British exceptionalism at it's very worse.

uk.news.yahoo.com/return-plague-island-uk-under-150336478.html

Many parts of the world are scratching their heads that cases are rising but restrictions are not being reimposed.

In Italy, where measures including a Covid pass and widespread mask-wearing have been the norm for months, many are also baffled at why Britain only recently introduced tougher measures to curb the virus.

The Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, Germany's leading conservative newspaper, also asked: “How is it that so many MPs from a traditional mainstream party are vehemently against comparatively moderate – many would even say inadequate – protective measures?"

@Puzzledandpissedoff

I think we need to think about how people die to, it's inevitable it's going to happen to everyone, but I believe that we've all got the right to die as pain and anxiety free as possible

Very much agree with this, Maverickess, especially as it recognises that we're all going to die at some point and looks at the wider picture

As Keating also rightly said, we need a conversation around all of this instead of pretending it's not going to happen, and when that conversation's eventually had it might be nice if there's something left with which to support people, instead of throwing absolutely everything at a virus which, in the end, we may not be able to do all that much about

Yes, we do need a conversation around this. I've seen too many people kept going for the sake of being kept going with no quality of life, and in some cases against their will. While I accept that people die, expect it, even am grateful for it in some cases as they are no longer suffering, I don't think enough thought is put in to the fact that people need support to die as comfortably as possible, whatever they die from, when we're talking about services being overwhelmed and a shortage of resources. Of course resources should be put towards those with a 'chance' and we really shouldn't be looking to save everyone regardless, but I also don't think people should just be left to die without support either, it may take less resources to treat someone palliatively, but it still takes resources that are under pressure and strain, and the dying are bottom of the list when those resources are allocated because the outcome is inevitable anyway. I do find that talking about this angle sometimes is lumped in with wanting to treat and save everyone, loving lockdowns and restrictions and accusing everyone else of being a granny killer, which isn't what I intend. Accepting that people will die is one thing, but we also need to accept that they'll need some form of support through that, they don't just vanish.

Oh and Keating Yes we all die, and yes suicide is legal in the UK (although not physician assisted suicide). But generally most people don't consider "we all die one day" a good enough reason to kill themselves or others.

How we die is as important as when. Sometimes we can't control how or when but most humans (and countries) tend to take mitigating actions.

Hence drugs laws, seat belts, drink drive rules.

Why is heroin illegal? And, despite evidence of widespread use in the Houses of Parliament, cocaine? They can kill, yes, but unlike Covid at least the risk is the user's only. And, unlike, Covid, they could be a source of tax income.

Societies take mitigations against unnecessary deaths - sometimes perhaps too much, but regardless we do it.

If you're concerned about when or how people die, rather than arguing for letting bodies unwillingly pile up, focus instead on the campaign for dignity in dying - the calls to follow other more humane countries in legalising assisted suicide.

@Chachasha

*we have to accept the death rate now enough is enough.. people die"

Just one question. Would you accept your child's death from a treatable illness because there the NHS is understaffed and underfunded sure to haemorrhaging money trying to treat Covid?

Would you accept no mental health resources for your child because staff and funding are spent on ICU beds?

Would you accept your dad's death from Covid without a murmur that there's no bed available due to the Covid surge? Or simply because they're rationing care and he's not deserving enough?

Would you accept schools closed because actually have Covid as opposed to schools closed so everyone doesn't get it at the same time? Does that nuance make any difference to your child's life?

Or if it just other people who die?

So in the last year we have lost someone we loved to suicide over lockdown yet the only COVID death we have had was an end of life relative. I know which one hurts the most!

We are self funding my husbands mental health care. What I want to see happen is we move on, the NHS triages properly sending home the worried well at the door and letting those go (without having to go to court) when the time is right. They shouldn't have to discharge to a place of safety they are to provide health care not fill the social care void.

Schools wouldn't be closed due to lack of staffing if everyone was vaccinated as they are so unlikely to be ill enough to even want to be off work sick.

Yes it's sacrificing the vulnerable but even back last year I said all we were doing is kicking those deaths down the road until this become endemic and they happen anyway. It's not a nice thing to say but it's rapidly becoming the reality

But of course you're also wilfully refusing to acknowledge the big elephant in the room. Covid doesn't just kill. It is also leaving many disabled or long term ill. Terrible for the patient, but bad too for the economy.

Mass staff sickness isn't the best way to achieve a healthy economy.

And that's the other key issue. Even the lucky ones - the people who don't die and don't end up with Long Covid. Many many still knocked out for two, three weeks.
Now lots and lots of staff - including many essential workers - all off sick at the same time.... Morals aren't the only reason why mitigations are the sensible approach. Self interest should be too.

@coatilove

Honestly at this point I'm done with it, I'm surprised people are complying so much with mask wearing and everything else - I thought the vaccine was freedom. Turns out I was wrong.

I've had enough - I'm not wearing my mask indoors and hope if there's a lockdown every business keeps its doors open and boycotts the decision.

I'm really surprised people are being so compliant, even if they have natural immunity and have been jagged (I have now had Covid and both jabs)

I can't be selfless anymore and keep getting boosters to protect others and stopping life, constant anxiety, life I feel should be going on now. Enough sacrifices have been made.

Aware I'll get flamed, but at the end of my tether with all of this now.

There are plenty of diseases that kill people, we have to accept the death rate now enough is enough.

If you've been vaccinated then what else do you intend to do? If you haven't then more fool you.

And this post goes to show how little you truely understand about this virus and the bigger picture of the impact

So go your merry way but then don’t moan when friends/family can’t get seen because the hospital is full of covid patients, when schools are closed because teachers are off sick, when shops close as they don’t have workers to open them up, and when businesses fail as they can’t afford to keep going, not to mention those that will be pushed into poverty as they only get paid SSP and can’t afford to live

As to accepting the death rate, words fail me, that someone is ok with family members dying because they are ‘done with it’

Spot on once again, Maverickness, and don't worry - I'm the very last to suggest you'd start calling others "granny killers", especially as so far it's been a (reasonably) balanced thread with people discussing things rather than hurling insults

Yes it's sacrificing the vulnerable but...

....But you don't care about your eugenics lite attitude towards the elderly and young disabled because they're Other People.

After dementia, one of the conditions with the highest Covid death rates is Downs Syndrome.

Many are not anywhere near elderly.

There is some sickening ageism on this thread coupled with disgusting disablism.
(Which I won't report because it says more about the poster than anything else).