To think we soon won’t be isolating even when we have covid.

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If covid is spreading as rapidly as it seems to be, surely people who have tested positive but who don’t have symptoms/aren’t feeling ill will have to carry on working. The country will stop functioning otherwise.

I’m hoping you’re not for real @Awalkintime

So what do you think being told that does to someone's mental health?

I work in mental health and see the consequences of lockdown on people with severe and enduring mental illness. I have never seen so many people so floridly unwell.

@Livelovebehappy and I'm on my 16th year of punishment for getting glandular fever as a teenager. It absolutely sucks. Life has been really tough at times, and there's not much hope for better times to come. I have to accept this is my lot in life now.
So whilst I have a lot of empathy from anyone suffering from a post viral syndrome, we shouldn't make any kind of assumption that Long Covid (god I hate that name) is anything other than a post viral at drone which you can get after any viral illness.

*at drone = syndrome

That wasn't the question.

Totally agree op. We will have to accept that this is the only way forward otherwise society is doomed.

You have no interest in mental health @Awalkintime. Plus mighty unusual experience of everyone you know having severe illness with covid. Pointless engaging.

I do have an interest in mental health very much so, you still haven't answered my question just deflected with some put downs to ensure you don't need to answer. I maybe know why.

@BoPeeple

The biggest help to the infrastructure of this country right now (including NHS) would be to scrap isolation for asymptomatic cases and reduce symptomatic cases to 7 days (as long as you feel well after that). Covid is very unlikely to be contagious after a week anyway. Ridiculous that perfectly well NHS staff are unable to work due to this rule.

Completely agree Our kids had it ( asymptomatically ) and had positive PCR - out of curiosity we LFT them - they showed neg after 6 days )

About blooming time.

@tedejoamadrid she’s been hospitalised in the past with chest infections. But covid attacks multiple systems (typically kidney/heart) and it’s unlikely she’d survive that

@AnyFucker re education, of course not. But if the govt could prioritise adequate air filtration in schools rather than line Dyson’s pockets to supply inadequate systems it would be helpful

And as far as pubs are concerned….would I rather there were some restrictions placed on pubs, or stadiums, or huge events just to try to keep things under control, or would I rather lose my mum?

But it’s like everything else, we all have our own perspective. Mine is that I don’t particularly want people dying because the govt is too busy lining the pockets of the rich to put in any real support for normal people

Also kids and dH were fine throughout , positive PCR to disrupt life / school / work but zero health impact
So at the time it was major upheaval for zero reason

The medical body in Wales have discussed and informed members that we're stuck with covid now as we are with flu so moving forward it will be another illness joining the list, which is a rational decision

@Overthebow

Yes this will happen fairly soon. It was leaked that it was the plan from April next year, stopping the widespread testing if you have symptoms so effectively stopping isolation for covid. As for the vulnerable, it would be the same as it is for any other illness.

Leaked from where? I hope you’re right but that was probably on the back of the delta variant sadly

My DF , older with major heart issues , has had it and was fine ? We are told the “ clinically vulnerable “ are in danger but he was fine.; ( he was placed in original clinically vulnerable category)
Although he has heart arythmia issues he is fit and normal BMI
I still think a lot of it is to do with general health and obesity
He had Covid / it was like a minor cold

the govt is too busy lining the pockets of the rich to put in any real support for normal people

With you on that !

@WouldBeGood

Exactly *@CovidCorvid*

Agree

@AnyFucker that’s what gets me angrier than anything else

Boris genuinely wants the bodies to pile high, simply so that they can divert £ that should be used to help people into the offshore accounts of their cunting cronies

Im glad you all think its a cold.

As a nurse I have seen and will tell you differently.

Covid is NOT like the flu or a cold. It is a disease that attacks multiple organs in the body and is devastating.

Do carry on pedalling your ill informed nonsense though .

Effects of long covid are also horrendous

Increase in heart attacks linked to long covid, as are blood clots and kidney problems

Ok, some people are really fortunate and don’t suffer too badly with covid. But what about their long term health? What about the long term health of our kids, who have all been badly let down in multiple ways through all this?

This is potentially a catastrophe followed by a significant ticking time bomb

@hopingforabrighterfuture2021

I agree it can’t carry on indefinitely. As far as I’m aware, covid is the only illness where you LEGALLY have to self isolate, obviously if you have flu or norovirus etc it’s not fair to go out, but most people are sensible about it.

I had to stay in when I had scarlet fever, until antibiotics kicked in and I was in longer contagious. 48 hours from memory. So I think for some notifiable diseases it is a legal requirement

And realistically don't we all "gamble with our lives" in everything we do? Every time we get in the car, bus or train, cross the road, climb the stairs etc

Oh dear, are these things equally risky in your mind?

@IfOnlyOurEyesSawSouls but it doesn’t attack multiple organs for most people, does it. For me it isn’t even like a cold. It’s way milder than any cold I’ve ever had. Yet here I am, stuck at home, missing another family Christmas and faced with having to tell DC1 that I can’t take him out on his new bike on Christmas Day.

I certainly won’t be continuing to take LFTs on a regular basis. If I have symptoms I’ll do a PCR but I won’t be actively checking for asymptomatic covid anymore.

I just think people are missing the best solution.

Is it a good idea to just let Covid transmit more? No. No and No. It makes others ill, hospitalized, die, it makes others miss more work. It’s not good for the economy.

Is it really inconvenient to be isolating for 10 days each time? Yes. And many now don’t really do it well.

So the solution is - being better at working out when the infectious time is, and we only need to isolate at those times. This is tricky, as 50% asymptomatic. But antigen tests have a good role. PCR tests also. Noticing signs immediately. In the next few months we should really have a much better ‘guide’ and less time isolating.

Isolating is always going to be important though. Its’ the same with most diseases that we have, measles, vomiting bugs. It’s a very, very effective strategy. We just need to make it shorter and we need to contact trace so people know if they’ve been exposed.