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Fluffycloudland77 · 2021-12-15T17:31:40+00:00

I haven’t seen this advertised anywhere though and dh hasn’t been contacted.

Kshhuxnxk · 15/12/2021 19:43

Yes, DS has had 3 vaccines and will get booster in due course which will make 4.

Crispynoodle · 15/12/2021 19:55

@Fluffycloudland77

Dh is immuno-suppressed. Why the fuck would I be bothered to ask if I didn’t have a CEV dh *@Chloemol*.

I’m turning myself inside out to keep him free of covid & I’m utterly worn out. I’m drained. I’ve lost over a stone since this started and when it’s really bad my hair falls out. I’ve got no life and we’re being phased out by family members who basically don’t care about him being vulnerable they just want a big Christmas celebration so we get attitude off them I oscillate between work, the pharmacy and his hospital appointments. That’s it. That’s my entire life right now in one sentence. I’m completely locked down here with a dh I’m watching deteriorate in front of my eyes and the surgeons can’t do anything without a pre-booked ITU bed which at the moment are full of unvaccinated 20-40 year olds.

I’ve got no faith in the system because with my job I should have been called for a vaccine first. Was I called? No. I was not. Did I ring to tell them I was eligible and how to verify my profession? Yes. Did I have to get vaccinated at work after emailing all my clients to ask if I could have a vaccine? That’s a yes too.

I’m just trying to keep my husband alive long enough to have two operations.

I totally understand. I'm immunocompromised and it's so annoying when people can't be bothered to have their booster because they know better than the scientists. I have had 3 primary Pfizer vaccines and will have my booster in January 3 months after my last one.

EmpressSuiko · 15/12/2021 19:56

It’s 3 and a booster

Bubblemonkey · 15/12/2021 20:16

Chris Whitty can kiss my ass.

OnAWinterMorningFarAway · 15/12/2021 20:16

I've just been reminded to email my GP surgery about jab #4.

Alpenguin · 15/12/2021 20:19

@Bubblemonkey

Chris Whitty can kiss my ass.

Well aren’t you a ray of fucking sunshine.

I’ve had 3 AZ and due my booster next week. Nice to know people don’t give a shit about protecting the immuno compromised.

Greenhand · 15/12/2021 20:21

Has anybody been able to book theirs though?
I am due mid Jan and heard nothing

Azerothi · 15/12/2021 20:26

I've had 3 primaries and I am due a 1st booster in January. I had a letter from my consultant about 2 months ago. I had all 3 Pfizer as he requested it for me.

Sideswiped · 15/12/2021 20:33

What some have said above:
DC1 (immuno-suppressed) had a third primary dose and will have a booster shortly.
DC2 who is CEV because they have a genetic condition has had two doses plus a booster, because their condition does not affect their immune system. This was a whole rigmarole as the vaccination centre had no clue what to do with DC. We sat there while people asked questions, looked it up on computers. It was (to my untrained eye) like nobody wanted to be put in the position of deciding whether DC should have a third dose or a booster. (We meanwhile were very clear that it should just be a booster. 🤷🏻‍♀️)
Meanwhile, I'm in an age range where I qualify for a booster (and did before the new guidelines), have still not had my booster.... (I will next week).
It's a whole other shit-show.

Chloemol · 15/12/2021 20:49

@Fluffycloudland77

Don’t swear as me you nasty person, try getting your post right

You said CEV. Not all CEV are immunosuppressed, and like the rest of Mumsnet I am not a mind reader to know what you actually mean

I restate, CW did NOT say CEV he said immunosuppressed, so get your words right, then you get the help you need

Lubballoo · 15/12/2021 20:59

@wishing3 I am trying to find that out too!

@Fluffycloudland77 to you and your DH, hope things start to improve for you both x

OnAWinterMorningFarAway · 15/12/2021 21:08

The severely immune-suppressed CEV group of patients that Chris Whitty was talking about is a relatively small cohort.

UK population of 67 million. Around 500,000 severely immune-suppressed CEVs. So at a massive GP practice like the surgery with which I'm registered, it involves flagging up or creating a register of perhaps 350 patients, many of whom are already making their own proactive enquiries. (If I hadn't pushed, I'd have been left. As it is I was fobbed off twice.)

The JCVI guidelines were sent to GP surgeries at the beginning of September. Mine ignored them.

OnAWinterMorningFarAway · 15/12/2021 21:13

@Fluffycloudland77

While we’re all here have any of you read about Astra Zenecas new drug that injects the immune suppressed with ready made antibodies incase they didn’t make antibodies to the vaccination? It’s called Evushield. The FDA have approved it and the UK have a million doses on order.

It’s not in place of a vaccine but it is a prophylactic treatment.

Thank you for the info, I'll have a look online for that.

CharlotteRose90 · 15/12/2021 21:18

@Mickarooni because it’s not every cev that needs the 3 jabs and then booster. It’s only certain conditions not everyone. The ones that needed are notified. If your not then you don’t deem you as being at Risk enough I was told.

NMC2022 · 15/12/2021 21:20

This is coming soon as well

Chris Whitty has just said the CEV need 4 covid jabs

Mickarooni · 16/12/2021 07:33

[quote CharlotteRose90]@Mickarooni because it’s not every cev that needs the 3 jabs and then booster. It’s only certain conditions not everyone. The ones that needed are notified. If your not then you don’t deem you as being at Risk enough I was told.[/quote]
I know it’s not every CEV person. Unfortunately you’re incorrect. There are people who are eligible who’ve not been notified. It’s a system issue. There can be confusion and it’s varied according to who prescribes the meds and who oversees the care. Some people are under shared care but some are not. Of course errors will happen. People shouldn’t assume because they haven’t been contacted that there hasn’t been a mistake. If you’re on a drug on the list or have a condition and haven’t been contacted, it’s a miscommunication error and needs to be rectified.

Mickarooni · 16/12/2021 07:34

[quote Chloemol]@Fluffycloudland77

Don’t swear as me you nasty person, try getting your post right

You said CEV. Not all CEV are immunosuppressed, and like the rest of Mumsnet I am not a mind reader to know what you actually mean

I restate, CW did NOT say CEV he said immunosuppressed, so get your words right, then you get the help you need[/quote]
That’s not very kind. It’s clear the OP is under immense pressure and stress.

Lubballoo · 16/12/2021 09:05

@Mickarooni agree with everything you've said there. Really feel for the OP, it's a very stressful time not helped by a lack of good comms.
When I had my third dose in October I thought it was my booster at the time!! I've since been told otherwise but the wheels are slow...

nether · 16/12/2021 09:17

Whether it is kind or unkind, it's an important distinction.

Not all the CEV are in the third primary/booster as fourth shot group. Indeed 4/5 of them aren't.

Those who are, by and large, know about it - the roll out was a shambles, but finally consultants and GPs did get invitations issued. (See several MN threads passim where those of us who were struggling to get jabs for ourselves or household members shared the frustrations - or rather don't, unless you're feeling masochistic thus morning)

If you've just realised to might be eligible but have been missed, the best thing to do is get on to consultant's team and or GP who should be able to change your vaccination record, and then you should be called for fourth 3 months after your third primary (if original plan had worked, these wouid be starting now, given fuck ups they won't be falling due until mid Jan and onwards)

But when someone just says 'CEV' then 80% of the time the reason they haven't been notified is because they aren't entitled. Only the severely immune suppressed are (sometimes now called the critically vulnerable - but that doesnt seem to have made it to a new and useful acronym)

frippit · 16/12/2021 10:43

Would any of you know what is the exact difference between the third primary dose and the booster dose contents?
I have only been able to find information on a blood cancer website which said the pfizer jab is a full dose for the booster and also the third primary. So exactly the same?
Or a half dose of moderna for the booster, and a full dose of moderna for the third primary. All of those who had pfizer as a booster are therefore covered for a third dose? Does anyone know?

NMC2022 · 16/12/2021 10:48

@frippit

Would any of you know what is the exact difference between the third primary dose and the booster dose contents? I have only been able to find information on a blood cancer website which said the pfizer jab is a full dose for the booster and also the third primary. So exactly the same? Or a half dose of moderna for the booster, and a full dose of moderna for the third primary. All of those who had pfizer as a booster are therefore covered for a third dose? Does anyone know?

That's right But if you don't get a third primary then that's your booster, if you do then you will get a 4th as a booster So important to distinguish so people get enough vaccines!

Lubballoo · 16/12/2021 11:05

@frippit yes it's confusing. I thought I'd had my booster, it turns out it was my third primary jab, but since they are the same it didn't matter that I had it under what turned out to be the wrong guise.
No way am I hanging about waiting to be contacted, once I've hit the 3 month mark I hope I can get straight to the walk in centre. If I'd have taken the wait-to-be-contacted approach it'd have been December at least before I'd have had a flu jab!

Lubballoo · 16/12/2021 11:08

@frippit sorry just to be clearer it was a Pfizer "booster" which has actually turned out to be my Pfizer "3rd primary jab", because they are the same thing in all but name

Hizz · 16/12/2021 11:15

If you had a booster not realising that you were supposed to have a 3rd primary it only makes a difference if it's moderna. That's because you should have a full dose as a 3rd primary and the moderna booster is half a dose.

I can understand the confusion as even doctors seem unaware. I was hospitalised with covid in August despite double vaccination, a prime example of the vaccine being less effective in immunosuppressed.
I had a post covid hospital appointment last week with a respiritory consultant. His first question was have you had your booster. I said no, but I've had my 3rd primary. He didn't seem to know what I meant and I had to explain .

Bagelsandbrie · 16/12/2021 11:23

@Hizz

If you had a booster not realising that you were supposed to have a 3rd primary it only makes a difference if it's moderna. That's because you should have a full dose as a 3rd primary and the moderna booster is half a dose.

I can understand the confusion as even doctors seem unaware. I was hospitalised with covid in August despite double vaccination, a prime example of the vaccine being less effective in immunosuppressed.
I had a post covid hospital appointment last week with a respiritory consultant. His first question was have you had your booster. I said no, but I've had my 3rd primary. He didn't seem to know what I meant and I had to explain .

This is the situation I’m in. I now know I should have had a 3rd full dose but had a Moderna booster..!