Not allowed to do my sales job until fully vaccinated

[VioletUltraViolet]

I delayed getting my vaccination due to a genuine fear of vaccines and having already gotten Covid antibodies from having the virus. I have decided to get the vaccine now because I just want this crap over and done with and I accept my role in getting society back to a level of normality.

I am booked for my first dose today at 14:30 and second dose is booked for 9th feb 2022.

I am an estate agent. My work sent a group message to say that any unvaccinated staff can not conduct any face to face appointments until they are fully vaccinated. This means no opportunity to earn commission by listing properties or selling houses, so my salary will essentially drop from roughly 43k to 24k. This is because I earn so much from doing the appointments and 24k is my basic. I have a daughter to support and I know everyone is going to say it’s my fault for delaying my vaccination but I just can’t believe this forced vaccination is spilling out in to non medical non clinical work.

For context, I booked my vaccine last week before I knew about the work changes.

What’re people’s thoughts on this kind of approach? My vaccinated colleagues are shocked by this too.

Think if you can prove you have the antibodies through testing then you should be allowed to work. Yes the vaccine produces antibodies but the rate that they wear down will be different for everyone. So someone with the vaccine may have lower antibodies than someone who had the virus but is due a vaccine.

I agree OP it's absolutely shocking and the amount of bullying and coercion that's been created because of this makes me lose faith in humanity. I wish I could run away and cut myself off from it all x

I suspect you'll be on difficult territory because it is only the non guaranteed part of your wage affected.
I guess it's good marketing for them to say only fully vaccinated employees will be sent to people's homes.
I do have sympathy with your position but ultimately, being happy to let others go out and be the guinea pigs for the vaccine means they get some reward for it in your company's eyes

Beachcomber you speak a lot of sense

@VioletUltraViolet

I understand and respect that opinion. Maybe I am naive, but I would never have predicted it would affect my income considering I do not work in a clinical role. My daughters nursery fees are £900 a month and I rely on earning consistent commission.

It’s just a shock as I won’t be classed as fully vaccinated until Feb.

You might be entitled to UC for the childcare costs, even on the salary you're on now. Have you ever checked? Go here to check what you might be entitled to

I’m sorry if that’s inconvenient to you. The same as no doubt you would be sorry if you gave me Covid and I died . I’m sure you’d be genuinely sorry for the inconvenience to my three children to whom I’m a single parent

if you are vaccinated yourself, the risk of your dying is tiny. And I could give you covid, and I am vaccinated. Ridiculous and emotive argument.

Also the risk of catching covid in the time it takes you to look around a house is minimal as well. People should be keeping their distance anyway.

This is absolutely disgusting behaviour. Immediate effect!

Outrageous behaviour by an employer.

@OlivePenderghast

How do they know you’re not fully vaccinated? You don’t have to tell them your private medical information (although assume this is too late). I don’t see how this could be legal since it’s potentially discriminatory. Although, like Acas says they can get rid of you for any reason before 2 years.

I don’t think it’s right that employers can do this and I’m saying this as someone who had the booster today at 30 weeks pregnant.

No, the OP doesn't have to tell them. But most companies are assuming that anyone who refuses to share that information is unvaccinated and treats them as such. That's what we have to do (legitimately with care homes though)

@JessieLongleg

Think if you can prove you have the antibodies through testing then you should be allowed to work. Yes the vaccine produces antibodies but the rate that they wear down will be different for everyone. So someone with the vaccine may have lower antibodies than someone who had the virus but is due a vaccine.

Perhaps vaccinated people should do that too.

Maybe vaccinated people should have to prove that they have high enough levels of antibodies before they can go to work / travel / etc?

I mean considering that they are much more likely to contract and transmit covid than recovered people.

I would check if you can get a pay advance as it’s been sprung you, especially in the lead up to Christmas.

I know people who need boosters and have paid extra to get these privately, if need be, rather than wait on NHS

no you don't because it's not possible to get them privately. Please don't tell blatant lies (or tell your "friends" to stop telling you them)

At my daughter's workplace covid is currently spreading amongst fully vaccinated staff.

I do not feel reassured that a vaccinated worker is coming into my home as I know that a vaccinated person is likely to spread covid, I feel more reassured if they do a negative test. I also feel reassured that being vaccinated myself means that if I do catch it, it is likely to be mild.

Just un the same way we vaccinated people will need to deal with whatever consequences of our decision to have the vaccine, you need to accept the consequences of your decision not to have the vaccines.

Though but ultimately your choice.

@startled

I'm quite shocked that you think it was ok to continually go into clients houses unvaccinated Your company sounds like it's a good responsible one

What is actually been said here is this :

I'm quite shocked that you think it was ok to continually go into clients houses recovered from the virus and in all probability with good immunity from covid.

People are becoming obsessed with vaccines. Can't see the wood for the trees anymore.

Frightening.

Haven't read all of the replies.. does having had COVID and having one vaccination give you 'vaccinated status'

www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/if-youve-had-covid-19-one-dose-vaccine-may-be-good-two-what-could-mean-global

@GrandmasCat

Just un the same way we vaccinated people will need to deal with whatever consequences of our decision to have the vaccine, you need to accept the consequences of your decision not to have the vaccines.

Though but ultimately your choice.

Oh look here's another post in the same vein.

There are now 2 types of people in society; vaccinated and unvaccinated.

We don't actually care if you are immune to covid or not we just want to know if you have been jabbed (preferably 3 times with a vaccine which is rubbish at preventing transmission).

www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.06.21267352v1

Only in preprint but seems to suggest those who’ve recovered have lower infection rates than those who’ve been vaccinated and not boostered.

When we are out and about I really don’t wonder if I’m mixing with vaxed or unvaxxed
Never gave it a second thought in the past
So why should we start now

If you’re in hospital having a heart attack
You’re not going to ask if the person treating you is vaxed or not

So why worry when out and about in society

Well after April when the unvaxxed nhs workers are sacked ( 100 thousand of them isn’t it)
We won’t need to ask.

I'm with your employer on this. I wouldnt want to meet unknowingly with an someone not vaccinated

@JuergenSchwarzwald

I know people who need boosters and have paid extra to get these privately, if need be, rather than wait on NHS

no you don't because it's not possible to get them privately. Please don't tell blatant lies (or tell your "friends" to stop telling you them)

That's what I was told.

Actually - I think it was by speaking to the GP and pressing the case for a booster in some cases.

@Gonnagetgoing I have to have a job with lucrative commission in order to afford to work full time. I cannot pay £900 fees on nursery plus everything else on 24k a year.
I’m sure there would be a problem or judgement if I worked part time and relied on UC.
I ‘rely’ on commission which is consistent and regular because I am good at my job so it’s not really a risk in that sense.
And no, I can honestly say I did not foresee living in a world where my job role changes drastically with less than 24 hours notice because of my medical background. I can honestly say as someone who works in a role where literally no one talks about Covid including my clients, I did not imagine this would happen WITHOUT notice.

Another reason for getting vaccinated today is also the likelihood of needing a Covid passport to do basically anything recreational. I don’t want my toddler to suffer because I can’t take her to soft plays or fun days out due to my vaccination status. Now this has happened with work I believe nothing is out of the realm of possibility and I find it scary and sad for those who are standing by their choice to be unvaccinated.

@VioletUltraViolet

I have already had Covid and have antibodies.

You've said this repeatedly, but have you actually been tested for antibodies?

1 in 5 people who contract Covid don't have antibodies afterwards.

@user1491404899

I'm with your employer on this. I wouldnt want to meet unknowingly with an someone not vaccinated

Why?

Surely you'd want to know instead whether they were currently negative for covid (vaccination means a person is much more likely to have very mild or no symptoms).

I have had the virus twice so, don’t believe the “immunity”of the op would have lasted this long at all.

I would say however that although I am responsible, considerate when in doubt and have had my three vaccines, I believe that there is not enough data yet for the government to claim a third booster will protect us from Omicron, so I am convinced that all this crazy “boost yourself ASAP” frenzy is just an expensive mechanism to convince the masses that our corrupt PM actually gives a shit about Covid or us.