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Proof of negative LFT?

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Warhertisuff · 14/12/2021 07:19

Surely it's not proof at all... It's obviously ridiculously easy to fake one, either the test itself or the reporting of it (not saying that would be right btw).

Given that those who aren't vaccinated, in the main, aren't especially concerned about the virus and either believe it's nonsense or massively overblown, aren't they exactly the type who would be much more likely to fake a LFT result rather than miss out on a big event?

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Sonex · 14/12/2021 08:41

@DorotheaDiamond

I’m not sure at home pcrs are fake able for negatives…I think they do check for human dna in the sample so you couldn’t just not swab and send it in (could be wrong)…
They come back 'inconclusibe' without the presence of human DNA, but it could be anyone's I guess. You could do multiple tests on one person (that you know is negative)
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Warhertisuff · 14/12/2021 09:04

@Sonex

PCR test are incredibly specific and reliable if administered correctly.

They are indeed incredibly specific (extremely low false positives), but not necessarily 'incredibly' reliable (false negatives aren't especially unlikely).

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Warhertisuff · 14/12/2021 09:06

@DorotheaDiamond

I’m not sure at home pcrs are fake able for negatives…I think they do check for human dna in the sample so you couldn’t just not swab and send it in (could be wrong)…
Presumably you'd just swab your forehead after wiping with gel...
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TisTheSeasonToBeVegan · 14/12/2021 09:13

Presumably you'd just swab your forehead after wiping with gel...

You seem to have put a lot of thought into how to get out of testing.Hmm Stuff like this wouldn’t cross my mind. I’m unvaccinated, I’d just do the test as would every other unvaccinated person I know.

DownToTheSeaAgain · 14/12/2021 09:21

The bloke who set up eBay did it on the premise that 'people are basically good'. I think we should continue to assume this about our fellow man if someone is going to fake a test they're going to find a way. The. vast majority will do the LFT because it is tbe right thing to do.

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Warhertisuff · 14/12/2021 09:22

@TisTheSeasonToBeVegan

Presumably you'd just swab your forehead after wiping with gel...

You seem to have put a lot of thought into how to get out of testing.Hmm Stuff like this wouldn’t cross my mind. I’m unvaccinated, I’d just do the test as would every other unvaccinated person I know.

Not really - it doesn't require startling creativity! I am vaccinated and boosted,!regularly take LFTs and have restricted social activity when household members have tested positive. If I can easily think of ways to game the system, even though I have no wish to do so, then those who do would surely do so.
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Sonex · 14/12/2021 09:23

The unvaccinated people I know pride themselves on never having done a covid test - and that's 8 separate people.

Just as you may not be representative of 'the anti-vaxxers', they are not all taking precautions like you are.

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Warhertisuff · 14/12/2021 09:27

@DownToTheSeaAgain

The bloke who set up eBay did it on the premise that 'people are basically good'. I think we should continue to assume this about our fellow man if someone is going to fake a test they're going to find a way. The. vast majority will do the LFT because it is tbe right thing to do.
But my point is, with the exception of people such as @TisTheSeasonToBeVegan (who I'm presuming isn't vaccinating as they're a hardcore vegan), many (I stress not all) of those who are unvaccinated are wantonly not doing "the right thing" with regards to Covid and getting vaccinated, so why should we think they would regarding LFTs?
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Redcrayons · 14/12/2021 09:30

The only way to ensure people not faking it, is to have them done by a HCP. But that’s totally impractical.

TisTheSeasonToBeVegan · 14/12/2021 09:33

If I can easily think of ways to game the system, even though I have no wish to do so, then those who do would surely do so.

But you seem to think most unvaccinated people would be like this. You can’t possibly know that. As I said earlier, you get people willing to be deceitful in all groups. I know a vaccinated person who hid his temperature and loss of smell from most people and refused to do a test so he could go to a wedding.

TisTheSeasonToBeVegan · 14/12/2021 09:35

Just as you may not be representative of 'the anti-vaxxers', they are not all taking precautions like you are.

But neither are some vaccinated people. Some seem to think vaccination is all they need to do

Sonex · 14/12/2021 09:37

@TisTheSeasonToBeVegan

If I can easily think of ways to game the system, even though I have no wish to do so, then those who do would surely do so.

But you seem to think most unvaccinated people would be like this. You can’t possibly know that. As I said earlier, you get people willing to be deceitful in all groups. I know a vaccinated person who hid his temperature and loss of smell from most people and refused to do a test so he could go to a wedding.

Oh come on don't be disengenuous, you know that for every one person like you taking precautions and having a defensible reason for not getting the vaccine (if that is the veganism thing), there are 100s doing it more militantly for conspiracy and/or civil liberties/great reset stuff, calling as all sheeple etc. I know 8 people who have not had the vaccine and all 8 fall into that category and are refusing to test, refusing to wear masks and not taking any precautions whatsoever - because they dont believe the problem actually exists!
blobby10 · 14/12/2021 09:43

I'm not vaccinated through choice but am definitely taking precautions. I wear a mask, don't go into crowded areas, only do essential food shopping when its quiet, etc etc. If I were to have any symptoms that are not normal for me (I get sore throats and headaches as standard when stressed and have had a lot over the past two years) I would not hesitate to isolate myself even further. I am willing to jump through the necessary hoops regarding LFT's to go to a seated venue for a comedy event next week to make my OH happy but otherwise would never attend gigs, concerts, nightclubs, or any places where viruses seem to thrive. Not all of us who choose not to have this vaccination are 'anti-vaxxers'.

TisTheSeasonToBeVegan · 14/12/2021 09:44

But my point is, with the exception of people such as @TisTheSeasonToBeVegan (who I'm presuming isn't vaccinating as they're a hardcore vegan), many (I stress not all) of those who are unvaccinated are wantonly not doing "the right thing" with regards to Covid and getting vaccinated, so why should we think they would regarding LFTs?

I clearly need to change my name back to my previous Xmas one without the word vegan in the title. This is the second thread in the last few days where someone has presumed I’m not vaccinated as I’m a vegan, despite never having talked about my reason for being unvaccinated.

I can only say that of the unvaccinated people I know, they are all doing LFTs and being responsible. Of all the vaccinated people I know, most are being responsible. Obviously there are far more vaccinated people, so that’s not unexpected. If I knew anyone lying about testing, I’d think they were a nob and definitely wouldn’t be friends with someone like that.

WanderingFruitWonderer · 14/12/2021 09:45

So much stereotyping of the unvaccinated on this thread.
There are many complex and multifold reasons why people have not been vaccinated. Yes, some deniers/minimisers. But, also, health issues (physical and mental), fear, veganism, religion, procrastination even in some cases, and numerous other reasons. But many unvaccinated are taking other steps to stay safe, and keep others safe. Including staying away from large crowded events in the first place. It's not as black and white as it may seem...

marti76 · 14/12/2021 09:48

I'm not vaccinated, my personal choice, and I regularly take lateral flow tests for work (I work in the private healthcare sector) and so do all my other unvaccinated colleagues. Yet again the blame is being shifted on people who are unvaccinated because the vaccinated can't admit that they are responsible for spreading it as well. Personally I think unvaccinated people are safer to be around because if you are vaccinated you don't have to test but that's just my opinion.

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Warhertisuff · 14/12/2021 09:55

I can kind of understand those who are ignoring the whole thing and not getting vaccinated or treating it seriously, though I disagree.

I'm finding it very hard though to understand the perspective of someone who is simultaneously unvaccinated (through choice) but otherwise taking every other precaution going, and treating testing and symptoms very seriously. It's like driving a car and being insistent that you've got your seatbelt on and keeping religiously to speed limits whilst happily disregarding that the brake cord is hanging by a thread.

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TisTheSeasonToBeVegan · 14/12/2021 09:58

Oh come on don't be disengenuous, you know that for every one person like you taking precautions and having a defensible reason for not getting the vaccine (if that is the veganism thing), there are 100s doing it more militantly for conspiracy and/or civil liberties/great reset stuff, calling as all sheeple etc. I know 8 people who have not had the vaccine and all 8 fall into that category and are refusing to test, refusing to wear masks and not taking any precautions whatsoever - because they dont believe the problem actually exists!

I’m not denying these people exist. I would like to see some figures for how many of them there are though, I’ve only seen them online. But I do know quite a few vaccinated people who are being very difficult about masks and saying ‘it’s just a cold’ to not get tested. There’s been two threads about whether people will avoid testing before Xmas so as not to miss out. Some people are just like that and I think they exist in both vaccinated and unvaccinated. No idea of numbers, maybe there is a lot in the unvaccinated, and I’m not defending them. I’ve changed my daily life a lot to keep myself and others as safe as I can, while being unvaccinated, anyone who can take a test and wear a mask and won’t, they’re people I don’t have any time for.

TisTheSeasonToBeVegan · 14/12/2021 10:00

I'm finding it very hard though to understand the perspective of someone who is simultaneously unvaccinated (through choice) but otherwise taking every other precaution going, and treating testing and symptoms very seriously. It's like driving a car and being insistent that you've got your seatbelt on and keeping religiously to speed limits whilst happily disregarding that the brake cord is hanging by a thread.

I think lots of these people have anxiety and needle/medical phobias or other concerns like that. It’s then quite easy to see why they would be unvaccinated but still be doing everything else to protect themselves and others. As much as people want to make out unvaccinated people are all horrible, it’s not true.

Sonex · 14/12/2021 10:07

Well I don't have figures because I'm not a government statistician. I am stating that the only people purporting to be like you - unvaccinated by choice, taking precautions - that I encounter are online at MN. So the exact opposite of your experience. ALL the unvaccinated people I know in real life are deliberately and defiantly not engaging with any precautions at all - no masks, no tests, carrying on commuting into London etc. One is a reflexologist who sees patients, including pregnant women, on a daily basis.

Maybe I am unlucky or happen to know a high proportion of unethical people, but that is my experience, which is as valid as yours. I'm glad you and apparently all the unvaccinated people on MN are taking precautions. You wont be representative of all the unvaccinated people out there. There will be a mixture, or course.

Similary all the people I know who are vaccinated and get cold symptoms, in them or their children, immediately do covid tests to rule it out.

XenoBitch · 14/12/2021 10:13

Ridiculous stereotyping of people who have not had the vaccine. Give your head a wobble and have a Biscuit

TisTheSeasonToBeVegan · 14/12/2021 10:18

I am stating that the only people purporting to be like you - unvaccinated by choice, taking precautions - that I encounter are online at MN.

Maybe because we’re all in our house, not going out much. 🤣

Clearly these people who presumably either deny covid exists or aren’t concerned despite all the evidence, are just very different people to most. I hope they are a very, very small minority.

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Warhertisuff · 14/12/2021 10:21

I think lots of these people have anxiety and needle/medical phobias or other concerns like that.

I get severe needle phobia.... But in my experience people with medical phobias are the first to want to be vaccinated! Surely, their worst nightmare would be Covid, so not to be vaccinated against it would be totally irrational.... but then most phobias are.

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Warhertisuff · 14/12/2021 10:24

I hope they are a very, very small minority.

A lot of people aren't especially concerned by Covid - just look at people's behaviour over the past months!... Doesn't necessarily mean they're not vaxxed or would fake tests.

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JenniferAllisonPhillipaSue · 14/12/2021 10:25

I'm finding this thread quite refreshing.

(1) Many posters are, as I asked, refraining from stereotyping the non-vaxed as stupid, idiotic, conspiracy theorists.

(2) As a result, I'm seeing more posts from people similar to myself - what I call "conscious non-vaxed". We've made an assessment given all the material available and have decided not to vaccinate; we are conscious of the restrictions that places on us, and are complying with all other measures such as masks, WFH, social distancing etc.