How do they know that two vaccines are not enough?

[cheeriobye]

How do they know that two vaccines are not enough in respect of Omicron?

[quote Samii89]@megustalacerveza your attitude is disgusting. Ive read alot of your comments the past few days on the covid threads. Who exactly do you think you are speaking to people in that condescending, patronising way? U have a nerve. Get over yourself[/quote]
You don't think someone snarkily telling me my comment was 'understatement of the year' when they had in fact misread it was condescending and patronising?

......OK.

@BubblingRiver

What's the fact *@megustalacerveza*?

That the booster is extremely effective against Omicron.

@foxgoosefinch

"For someone who has just drastically misinterpreted some basic statistics (0.5 percent of polio cases were paralytic polio, 5-10 percent OF THOSE die) you don’t seem to be able to lecture others about basic science there @BubblingRiver"

You are absolutely right on challenging the statistics on polio versus Covid, only if n 0.5% of cases does the virus move from the gut to the nervous system and then it is fatal in 5 to 10% of cases. Although you did omit that in there are many more cases where it causes permanent paralysis or disability.

However on the topic of basic science you have omitted the key difference that the polio vaccine is effective in 100% of immunisations whereas the verdict is still out on the Covid vaccine and although very effective and definitely worth having it unfortunately is not the 90% effectiveness that was originally promised.

@BubblingRiver

Have you formed the view that the pfizer booster works ( which is half a pfizer dose) but the two full dosages don't provide decent protection from the pfizer scientists saying so directly associated with the company making them to sell more jabs or used your considerable medical expertise to conclude that for a new varient yourself *@megustalacerveza*?

It's not half a Pfizer dose. You've got some nerve questioning me when you don't understand anything at all.

It's not a hard concept to understand. Antibodies wane, and a much mutated new variant makes it even harder for existing antibodies to protect you. So you get another vaccine to boost your antibodies to a higher level and have better protection.

You do realise that there are dozens of independent scientists working on this research? Do you think the director of Pfizer just tells everyone to get another dose?

Oh wait, you probably do think that.

@Dishhh oh my word. You haven’t got any intelligent responses to these reasons so you trot out the ‘you get your information from Facebook’ line whilst telling the poster that their words were trite. Yeah ok. Irony at it’s best.
Bubbling was giving some valid reasons why she didn’t want endless boosters because you asked.
Many many people feel the same and guess what- they haven’t got their thoughts and views from Facebook ffs.
What an idiotic line to patronise someone.
Sure you must be a gem

@foxgoosefinch

Basic science education in this country is so bad!

I just read that the Royal Institution Christmas Lectures are being given by Jonathan Van Tam this year on virology and epidemiology. It strikes me that these will be a good and very engaging and accessible format that would be a great way to learn about some of the ways virologists and epidemiologists make studies and predictions.

They wouldn't bother to read it.

It's all already on Twitter in neat little chunks, explained in Plain English.

Still too complex for some people. Easier to go by what your Facebook friends say and be a sheep who listens to conspiracy theories.

I don't think that's a fact.
We all hope it's true and tests so far suggest it, but a FACT is stretching it.
I am also a bit concerned that some of the older people I know had their booster more than 2 months ago. Should we be worried about their waning immunity?

Plus not one of the fuckers at those parties were vaccinated at all and they weren't bloody worried about catching Covid and taking it home to their families over Christmas were they?

Probably because they already knew they weren’t going to be seeing their families.

[quote BubblingRiver]@megustalacerveza Your post is disingenuous as you state " so people need to boost their immunity again." In other words translated into layman terms it means "The first two jabs fade very quickly and yet another one will be needed" so why not call it what it is - a third jab which will turn into a 4th/ 5th repeated ad infinitum.

The vast majority of the population are not going to sign off for years of jabs I'm afraid for vaccines which wane after such a short period with ever changing variants where the most commonly used vaccine AZ is now considered close to useless for the latest variant[/quote]
Yes, it is very probable that further jabs will be needed if Omicron turns out to be a big problem or there's another, worse variant.

What does AZ being useless for the new variant have to do with anything? We're not using AZ anymore. It served its purpose at the time and I was very grateful to get it.

Why is having multiple jabs such a problem for you? Have you not taken multiple courses of antibiotics in your life? Had vaccines for other things? Are you suspicious of all medicines or just this one?

@trumpisagit

I don't think that's a fact. We all hope it's true and tests so far suggest it, but a FACT is stretching it. I am also a bit concerned that some of the older people I know had their booster more than 2 months ago. Should we be worried about their waning immunity?

What good does worrying do? It is what it is. They'll be first in line for the updated booster if it happens.

[quote BubblingRiver]@megustalacerveza you say " What does AZ being useless for the new variant have to do with anything? We're not using AZ anymore. It served its purpose at the time and I was very grateful to get it"

This is just an eg of the shifting goal posts where you infer younger people putting themselves through the stress/ hassle/ side effects of AZ has now " served its purpose". The same thing will happen with the current pfizer jab when yet another variant appears and it needs to be " tweaked"

"Why is having multiple jabs such a problem for you?
It's a problem because Im in good health and don't want to experience the risk of side effects every few months for a virus that doesn't worry me in the slightest. We have established from these drs and medical experts you swear by that everyone will get covid so what has it got to do with you whether I take a booster? Take yours and focus on your own health unless you revert back to the NHS argument where we have established many other lifestyle choices are a bigger issues to the issue of overstretching the NHS than unvaccinated people.[/quote]
But it's not a shifting of the goal posts. AZ was created to protect against the original variant of covid, and it did that. It protected me against that and alpha and delta. It allowed me to go about my business without catching covid for months on end, and the same for the millions who also had AZ this spring. How incredibly disrespectful of you to present that as some kind of fail.

Are you telling me that if you took antibiotics for an infected tooth and then six months later, a different tooth got infected, that you wouldn't take more antibiotics because the first ones should still work?

Your argument makes no sense.

@BubblingRiver

If I had your health issues *@megustalacerveza* which you seem to have judging by your aggressive vaccine stance, I'd be focused on my own lifestyle and vaccne status rather than bullying others into your jab regime that does't prevent transmission where drs state everyone will get covid regardless of vaccinated status.

If I were you, I'd busy myself thinking about the reality of what your life would look like if the NHS actually collapsed.

It won't be pretty.

[quote BubblingRiver]@megustalacerveza in your latest patronising rant you say " It protected me against that and alpha and delta. It allowed me to go about my business without catching covid for months on end, and the same for the millions who also had AZ this spring. How incredibly disrespectful of you to present that as some kind of fail."

It protected you, most people are not adversely affected by covid and many have had it with covid resembling nothing more than a cold. Are you saying because you need protection with your health issues everyone else including young people should take a vaccine which can cause horrific side effects indefinitely which doesn't stop you getting a virus you are vaccinated against anyway. What part of " everyone will get covid " regardless of who is or isn't vaccinated can't you grasp, does it just not sink in or are you contradicting the medical community who says this with you medical expertise which seems to be protect yourself at all costs with jabs, lockdowns draconian vaccine passes / mandatory jabs? What a selfish self centred character you are- you'd think you would be grateful of your jabs and accept younger people/ others in better health don't need to adopt your procession of jabs but clearly not.

As for your infected tooth analogy, what a ludicrous comparison. An infected tooth would cause pain / abscess not a headache for a few days or pass by for many as asymptomatic. How many people do you know missing periods / dropping dead of blood clots etc from anti biotics? I think you have a real issue not seieng beyond your own health concerns and fail to accept it isn't a one size fits all in helathcare- as I said a very selfish blinkered individual[/quote]
I'm a self centred character? Says the person refusing to have a vaccine that would help others and help take the pressure off the NHS?

Again, you are STILL NOT GETTING IT. If the NHS collapses, you are in deep shit. What part of that do you not understand?

[quote BubblingRiver]@megustalacerveza "If I were you, I'd busy myself thinking about the reality of what your life would look like if the NHS actually collapsed.

It won't be pretty."

Well unlike you I haven't been inside a hospital for years- maybe a decent diet , regular exercise, little alcohol helps instead of festering here every night. Hows the wine as surely you can't be sober writing this rot?[/quote]
Same here, love. I climbed a mountain in Switzerland a couple of months ago, do competitive sport twice a week and have just been on a 20K hike.

I love your arrogance...it's very cute. Imagine thinking a decent diet will stop you having a brain haemorrhage or a burst appendix or being hit by a speeding car or finding a suspicious lump. Imagine being a grown adult and thinking you can control what happens to you.

@BubblingRiver

If you truly wanted to save the NHS *@megustalacerveza* you would have a night off, get sufficient sleep, sober up and lead a lifestyle more conducive to not putting a strain on the health services. Your posts ooze uncontrollable rage with the caps lock, christ knows what state your heart is in. Why don't you calm down and show some respect for the NHS and others health as all this anger is likely to be bad news for already overstretched hospitals.

Oh, the irony.