So.. South Africa has low vaccination rates and apparently no deaths. We have extremely high vaccination rates and are forecasted to have 75,000 deaths

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Is this subtly acknowledging that the vaccines (specifically in their role as a vaccine across multiple variants of the same virus) have not been worthwhile? Or perhaps the 'younger population' line of reasoning proves that covid will get older populations sooner or later regardless of temporary efforts to stop it through jabs?

So this is from the global obesity observatory.

There are a range of different ways of measuring though (eg average BMI vs proportion of those who are obese) . That is also only adult males?

I am just concerned about attitudes that say 'poorer country = thin people'.

Yes I guess there are different ways to measure obesity. But not as clear cut as we have a massive obesity problem and they don’t.

This is a v helpful website for all sorts of population data:

worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/obesity-rates-by-country

So does restrictions mean elderly people will be back to rotting away in care homes again not seeing their families before they die.. Because that's who restrictions really hit.

I've just looked on the world obesity index and that puts the uk in 49th fattest position (ranked for men), and SA at 112th. For those who are saying the population is more obese in SA, where are you getting your data from?

It was the World Factbook. I haven't heard of the world obesity index, what were the figures for women?

For women SA is ranked 23rd (most obese) and UK 60th. If look at child weights then SA higher than uk also.

I’m quite shocked at how the bbc has reported that paper. Misleading at best.

The science is sound enough - model with assumptions and update when data is available. But the media reporting is verging on scaremongering.

Comparing the UK with SA is not comparing Apples with Apples because

UK:

• Older population

• More jabbed

• More Obese

SA:

• HIV is a bigger issue

• Diabetes is a bigger issue

• More excess deaths than UK up to this point. You can only die of Covid once etc

• Less jabbed, but younger = Previous waves means good levels of natural immunity are likely prevalent.

I just do not trust our government/ media right now - I'm not sure what they are playing at.

[quote PerkingFaintly]Oh actually this makes the population ages easier to see.

population-pyramid.net/en/pp/united-kingdom
population-pyramid.net/en/pp/south-africa[/quote]
These images would make nice, architectural features

Notice the mid-section spare tyres in the UK, is sum1 callin us fat?

to me the reason SA has a low death rate at the moment is the same reason that the UK has had low death rates between june and july. The virus is seasonal and currently SA it summer that side

But it wasn’t seasonal in India during the delta wave? (So delta more worse then?!)

There are lies, there are damn lies, and then there are statistics…

70% of J’burg population has had covid. I suspect that has made up for the low vaccine take up (in terms of them having some sort of anti body protection).
(can’t remember the source but read it on one of the main newspaper apps this morning).