More stringent measures next week?

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From the Guardian just now:

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/10/stringent-uk-covid-measures-needed-within-a-week-leak-reveals

[quote Waxonwaxoff0]@Hotchox odds of that are vanishingly small for most healthy people to be honest. In my 31 years on the planet I've been into hospital twice, and once was to give birth. I'm happy to take the risk.[/quote]
Good for you. Some people spend ages in hospitals, but sod those guys eh? Incidentally, I'm healthy at the mo', mainly thanks to scrupulously following a medical regime for 40 years that means I can carry on living and contributing taxes and whatnot, but if I died of Covid I'd be another 'pre-existing health problems' statistic, despite my decades-long efforts to cheat death. Still, glad to hear your survival odds are vanishingly small and restrictions to increase the vulnerable's chances aren't worth your bother... you might want to check out the Herman Cain award: It's full of people with the same attitude as you. Vanishingly small isn't zero. Best of luck

Boris Johnson will have more blood on his hands if the hospitals become overwhelmed or people will not obey any of the rules because he allowed his staff to have parties during lockdown last year and people are just done with any of it.
I dread to think how they will get anyone to comply?
Plus there's not much money for any help either.
It is depressing to be honest.

@Puzzledandpissedoff

Ambulance waiting times twice as long as height of pandemic ... Honestly it's not just our hospital. It's across the board

I hate to disappoint, and I know anecdata doesn't really count, but my neighbour's ambulance took just 7 minutes to arrive yesterday (east midlands city)

It's true that there was a long delay in dealing with her condition once at A&E, but that's because - in yet another failure - nobody could access some records

Correct - anecdotal doesn't count.

Data suggests Ambulance times are increasing and avg wait times at my AE are 13 hrs and 3min, try the app NHSQuicker?

This effects ambulances times as they cannot drop patients off, its been well reported on and isn't a scare story to win a vote.

@Hotchox I'm not willing to put the needs of strangers above the needs of my own family. Sorry if that upsets you, but that's how it is. I'll wear a mask, but I'm not putting my child through what he went through in the first lockdown with loneliness, he is more important to me than anyone else.

Its all too late now, there is nothing any restrictions will do, short of a lockdown

Well spotted, Andrea - and even a lockdown will do nothing in the long term, apart from destroying much else

As a PP said, nearly two years on we're running out of things to throw at Covid, and yet still the insensate panic continues over something with a tiny fatality rate
I really don't want to think what we'd do if something that kills a huge % ever comes along ...

@julieca no outskirts of Liverpool

@WoodenReindeer

And yes to the fatigue and mental health issues amongst staff too.

There are too many like Grey that think they'll be fine so will crack on 😔

I have got to pity you that you are so consumed by fear and so easily manipulated by what you read

Was it on Twitter I read that about all these super confident "It won't happen to me" people properly weeping with fear in A&E when they couldn't breathe? Some posters obviously don't give a shit about anyone apart from themselves.

Think something is being planned our employer reissued key worker letters to us again today!

[quote 4pmwinetimebebeh]@julieca no outskirts of Liverpool[/quote]
I am surprised. The only people up till now that I have seen who find it easy to get a booster have been in London.

Data suggests Ambulance times are increasing

I know that, Andrea, but the bit I highlighted and answered in my PP insisted that the issues mentioned were "across the board", which just isn't so

Nobody pretends there aren't problems, but to take a few worse case scenarios and extrapolate them to everything else is hardly helpful ... after all that's how we ended up with the photos of Italian patients "being trreated outside because of lack of space", which turned out to be TB patients in another country altogether

Just look at the data. It isn't a few isolated cases. Ambulance times are increasing this is a problem

@linelgreen

Think something is being planned our employer reissued key worker letters to us again today!

That means nothing, your employers know nothing more than the rest of us, it's contingency planning.

@julieca perhaps it’s a city thing, locally friends have had no issues and likewise friends in Manchester have been texted to book and had their jab within a few days. I wonder if there’s less availability if you’re more rural.

120 deaths a day from or helped by Covid is almost 44,000 a year. It is a lot of deaths mostly on top of our usual death rates- which will no doubt increase because of all the missed cancer and other serious diagnoses and treatments/operations.

What they need to do is focus on enforcing plan B in the first place. I know of so many companies who are ignoring the WFH guidance and still having staff come in most days of the week, ignoring social distancing, partying etc it makes a joke of the whole thing

@GreyPurbeckMarble

Incorrect! I have a private a&e locally too! And I could instantly be referred to a private hospital regardless

Best of British luck with that when you're being scraped off the road after an RTA!

Honestly, just think about how A&E services operate and the level of staffing you would need to be in a private hospital on stand-by just in case you need an urgent consult.

You're more than likely to be shoved in an NHS ambulance and blue-lighted up the road to the proper A&E where they can actually on-call the relevant specialist.

Telegraph:

You must be so miserable

Why don’t they just do like other countries and make it FP2 mask or higher that everyone wears? And all the people who say they are except in the U.K., but then they had to wear one for 2 weeks on Spain and we’re fine but then stop when they’re back…

[quote Waxonwaxoff0]@Hotchox I'm not willing to put the needs of strangers above the needs of my own family. Sorry if that upsets you, but that's how it is. I'll wear a mask, but I'm not putting my child through what he went through in the first lockdown with loneliness, he is more important to me than anyone else.[/quote]
That's ok. I'm not upset. Hope your littl'un manages to find someone to play with.

@Puzzledandpissedoff

Data suggests Ambulance times are increasing

I know that, Andrea, but the bit I highlighted and answered in my PP insisted that the issues mentioned were "across the board", which just isn't so

Nobody pretends there aren't problems, but to take a few worse case scenarios and extrapolate them to everything else is hardly helpful ... after all that's how we ended up with the photos of Italian patients "being trreated outside because of lack of space", which turned out to be TB patients in another country altogether

Download that NHSQuicker app and try a few postcodes?

Its very wide spread, pre Cv 2.8m waiting on NHS lists, now its 6m and according to the Governments own figures, will double!!

Covid and Brexit (eu staff left nhs) combined with years of austerity have left the nhs in a mess.

I have no answers, there are things we could do med to long term but we aren't even doing those.

Wealthy don't use NHS, so they dont really care.

The health service is falling to bits partly because of the damage caused by previous lockdowns, so further restrictions including possible lockdowns are being suggested?

I actually don't believe I'm reading this.

@Waxonwaxoff0 He could always play with mine. Or any of her friends - none of the many parents I know with young children is doing it again. In fact, we’re all making contingency plans in the event of another lockdown.

Brilliant my essential retail work place will be rammed with people who don't give a shit as long as they get their non essential items.