"I should have freedom in what to put into my body"

[Acidburn]

Hi All

I just wanted to share my thoughts regarding the "I want to have a choice what goes into my body" thing.
I think lots of people (who refuse the vaccine) have lost touch with reality. Yes, everyone should have the freedom to choose to get a vaccine or not - in a perfect world. No doubt about that. However - global pandemic is not the time to be selfish. I was born in a country where there is a compulsory military service, where nearly every male had to go to war for his country regardless of his own political view. My grandfather was called to the frontline at the age of 17, and he went there, as many other boys and men did. Because that was something they had to do for their country, there was no negotiation! And right now we are in war too - but with the virus, so we need to get vaccinated because there is no other way of getting out of this war. People can have very valid individual reasons why they don't want to do it, but unfortunately sometimes we have to do things we don't want for the greater good. I really want to see this "I want to choose what goes into my body" brigade being called into compulsory military service, what would they do then? I am not trying to be rude or shame anyone, but why is it considered OK to prioritise the inviduals' reasons over mass populations'? When people end up in hospitals and doctors inject drugs into their body to keep them alive - I don't see anyone protesting against it, how is the current situation different?
When will these people stop being stroppy children and just get a sodding vaccine so we can all live our lives again?

You can't force people to consent to a medical treatment that poses the risk of injury. However small. Even in a pandemic. I completely disagree with countries that are mandating vaccines and I'm fully vaccinated.

I'm very very opposed to the idea that the state can override the populations right to make choices about their own bodies.

I am cev. I've had my two jabs and my booster. I'll have any jab that's offered to me because if I got covid I would almost certainly die.

I would strongly protest against it being mandatory.

@Kshhuxnxk

For disclosure I am fully vaccinated and booster and CEV.

Compulsory military service
Maybe in your country but not in UK

We need to get vaccinated because there is no other way of getting out of this war
Being vaccinated doesn't stop you catching it or passing it on.

People can have very valid individual reasons why they don't want to do it, but unfortunately sometimes we have to do things we don't want for the greater good
No, we really don't.

But why is it considered OK to prioritise the inviduals' reasons over mass populations
Because we live in the UK.

When people end up in hospitals and doctors inject drugs into their body to keep them alive - I don't see anyone protesting against it
That's where an Advance Directive comes in.

Are you happy to sign the document stating that if you end up needing ICU bed - you are happy to give it up for someone else
Nope - I pay my tax & NI as much as they do. Also they may smoke, drink, have children, do dangerous sports - those things make them more likely to end up in ICU.

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Hate to tell you Op, but even if every single person who can be vaccinated gets them, it isn't going to stop or end this. You are forgetting the rest of the world has a long way to go to getting all their jabs, and in the mean time more variants will be created, and people here in the UK will still be catching and spreading it.

Bloody hell, I’m pro vaccine, but dead against forcing people to fight in a war.

I’m not sure that’s as good an argument as you think it is.

As far as the jab, forcing people to have any medical procedure is incredibly problematic. I see little problem in refusing entry to some forms of employment/crowded events etc though.

@Acidburn do you come from an ex-Eastern block country where, even today, children cannot access the education system (state or private) if they're not fully vaccinated with all mandatory jabs (which there are plenty of) and parents are imprisoned if trying to oppose?
Well, in the UK we have choice (for this and many other things in life), we've always had them and would like to keep it that way.

Where there is risk there should be choice.

I’m pro-vaccine, and I’ve had the Pfizer jabs, and I am very grateful for them

But I still don’t want to live in a dictatorship where people have no choice about what goes into their bodies.

And it’s worth remembering, at this point, the 73 people killed by the Astra Zeneca jab. They chose to have it. Should they have been forced if they’d refused? I did my research and refused the Astra Zeneca jab because it slowly became clear, even as the government chanted “it is safe” that it was causing deadly blod clots in some people. Should I have been held down and forcibly injected? According to you, apparently yes.

@2022HereWeCome

Oh fuck off

This.

@Acidburn - a voice of reason. The UK (where most of Mumsnetters are from) is a selfish country. Go to Indonesia or Japan and the behaviour is very different. Not so many selfish arseholes.

So OP, since we are being told that it is bad for the planet to have too many children do you agree with forced sterilisation after two children. After all it would be for the greater good!

@Kshhuxnxk

For disclosure I am fully vaccinated and booster and CEV.

Compulsory military service
Maybe in your country but not in UK

We need to get vaccinated because there is no other way of getting out of this war
Being vaccinated doesn't stop you catching it or passing it on.

People can have very valid individual reasons why they don't want to do it, but unfortunately sometimes we have to do things we don't want for the greater good
No, we really don't.

But why is it considered OK to prioritise the inviduals' reasons over mass populations
Because we live in the UK.

When people end up in hospitals and doctors inject drugs into their body to keep them alive - I don't see anyone protesting against it
That's where an Advance Directive comes in.

Are you happy to sign the document stating that if you end up needing ICU bed - you are happy to give it up for someone else
Nope - I pay my tax & NI as much as they do. Also they may smoke, drink, have children, do dangerous sports - those things make them more likely to end up in ICU.

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Great post! 👏🏻👍🏻👍🏻

You guys are funny. I never said anyone should be "forcibly" injected, and as far as I know - there is no country in the world that practices forced Covid vaccinations. I was talking about social responsibility. But hey, if you are happy to live this way - constantly changing restrictions, businesses going bust, lockdowns one after another - keep going, I have no further questions.

Joining in with the fuck offs

But.... it doesn't stop the spread and even when jabbed you can still end up seriously unwell in ICU?
Your argument is invalid. I refuse to have it.
I had the first jab and I've suffered neurological problems ever since.

@Skinnytailedsquirrel thank you.

@Acidburn

You guys are funny. I never said anyone should be "forcibly" injected, and as far as I know - there is no country in the world that practices forced Covid vaccinations. I was talking about social responsibility. But hey, if you are happy to live this way - constantly changing restrictions, businesses going bust, lockdowns one after another - keep going, I have no further questions.

Maybe if people like yourself stopped being sheep and being scared of something that would be a heavy cold to you - that would stop this never ending drama?

People got double jabbed, then it was the booster and now we're looking at having a jab every 3-4 months when does it end!

Absolutely NO! Why you ask?

If people agree to this there will be no end to what is declared "mandatory" for the good of everyone in the future.

One day there might be some medical intervention that you absolutely don't want or can't have that is made compulsory....How will you feel then?

Such things can not and should not be made a requirement but should be a choice.

Be careful what you accept.

Do you struggle with the concept of consent in other areas of your life?

'The greater good' is the most overused (and chilling) phrase of 2021!

Bore off

@RoastPotatoQueen

Well said 100% agree

It's alright to force something that you agree with onto people isnt it?

I love the quote: I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

I apply this to the vaccine argument, I am fully vaccinated but I will support anyones freedom of choice when it comes with what to do with their own body and I have never heard a convincing argument that will make me think otherwise.

Have a whole fucking packet of

'The greater good' is the most overused (and chilling) phrase of 2021!

This. For some reason it brings to mind China or North Korea.

You know op. The reasons people are choosing to be unvaccinated are many
It’s not just laziness or pigheadedness

In my own family
2 are against any type of vaccines at all for anything - their kids have had no vaccines ever
1 was too lazy to get to the vaccination centre Got covid - it was mild Now he’s saying he can’t see why he needs a vaccine for something so mild and when he’s already had it
The other has been listening to pseudo science on the internet and has decided not to be vaccinated - this is his choice and he has the right to make that choice
Even if it is daft

Then there’s those who are scared of needles Some are genuinely worried about side effects and that fact that this vaccine was produced quickly

It’s not quite as black and white as it seems