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Reports from South Africa that omicron is disproportionately effecting under 5s

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Notsomerryandbright · 03/12/2021 23:16

I can’t see another thread title discussing this but I’ve just read that Health Officials in South Africa have reported they’ve had a disproportionate number of under 5s admitted into hospital with covid over the last 2 weeks, 29% classified as having severe infection.

I’m not trying to cause panic etc but this really worries me. Just wanted to start a thread in hope someone more knowledgeable will come along and make it seem less scary than the figures suggest.

www.news.com.au/world/africa/south-african-government-medical-adviser-reveals-how-omicron-is-hitting-under5s/news-story/995e5cb71b3e8d7d4ae159f92549b8d0

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Pearlgreys · 04/12/2021 16:25

The important question is what are they actually being hospitalised for? Is it for dehydration due to vomiting and diarrhoea? Or is it for oxygen like RSV can present?
How many are ending up in ICU? Are these overnight stays or checks and home within a few hours?

Also the demographic is different there I’d assume? Due to poverty factors for one.

My DS was hospitalised and needed oxygen/feeding tube when he was 8 weeks as he had RSV. There’s never lots in the media about that and I don’t remember people saying about wearing masks etc over the winter because of it. Only now that covid is around.

Hopefully it doesn’t turn out to be as worrying as it seems.

MaxNormal · 04/12/2021 16:43

I should also point out that there are government hospitals in South Africa so low income people do not have to pay for treatment. They are often teaching hospitals and not too bad at all, and for instance Tygerberg children's hospital in Cape Town is outstanding.

People in rural areas are not as well served, with clinics often being poor, but the biggest barriers to healthcare there are distance and cost. However if you are low income and very unwell there is government patient transport available.

Most white-collar workers then have medical aid schemes as part of their package and will use the private hospitals which often include A&E facilities and these tend to be a very good standard of care.

This is just to add a bit of context to the discussion.

MaxNormal · 04/12/2021 16:47

Also the demographic is different there I’d assume? Due to poverty factors for one

It can be. Obviously not everyone is so badly off that it affects their health but there are millions of people living in poverty and often in poor housing conditions in informal settlements and these tend to be unsanitary and also have high levels of air pollution.

HIV is rife with 20% of the population being positive and TB is also very prevelant. Unfortunately these also go hand in hand with high levels of lifestyle type illnesses like hypertension and T2 diabetes due to high levels of the population being overweight or obese.

vera99 · 04/12/2021 19:22

Dr John is optimistic.

Alltheblue · 04/12/2021 20:40

Dr John is not a medical doctor or a scientist. He allows people to introduce him as a medical doctor and introduce him on that understanding. But he isn't what he claims to be and doesn't have the background to be giving opinions of substance at this point. He called the pandemic (not that hard) but has been milking the hits with ivermectin and vaccine injury weirdness in recent months.

Alltheblue · 04/12/2021 20:40

interview him

neveradullmoment99 · 04/12/2021 20:44

@Alltheblue

Dr John is not a medical doctor or a scientist. He allows people to introduce him as a medical doctor and introduce him on that understanding. But he isn't what he claims to be and doesn't have the background to be giving opinions of substance at this point. He called the pandemic (not that hard) but has been milking the hits with ivermectin and vaccine injury weirdness in recent months.
No, he isn't a doctor but he is merely presenting other peoples research. He is not creating it.
neveradullmoment99 · 04/12/2021 20:45

What he is referring to in the video is information gleaned from Reuters.

rainrainraincamedowndowndown · 04/12/2021 20:56

@ComeAllYeFaithful

I saw this happening. Just to force us all to vaccinate our kids.
Force us how? I really wanted my dc 12+ vaccinated. We weren't allowed when other countries were. Then only one shot was allowed. Now finally 2nd shot is allowed. 5+ aren't allowed yet, though other countries had go ahead. None of under 5 have been vaccinated, nor have approval. SA hasn't even vaccinated majority of adults. Where do you come up with the idea that this is a scheme to force us to vaccinate our kids? We do have choice, you know. You don't have to vaccinate your kids if you don't want to.
HPFA · 04/12/2021 21:04

This report has just come out from a hospital in South Africa and they're stressing that it's early days but SO FAR the pattern looks different from earlier waves. The patients are mostly breathing room air rather than needing oxygen and their average stay in hospital is much shorter.

So with all the usual caveats this is at least good news for the moment:

www.samrc.ac.za/news/tshwane-district-omicron-variant-patient-profile-early-features

lololololollll · 04/12/2021 21:09

@GoldenOmber

There were rumours of alpha disproportionately affecting children, but it turned out it didn’t.

And then there were rumours if delta disproportionately affecting children, but it turned out it didn’t.

So I’m not going to get worried about rumours that omicron disproportionately affects children unless they become better substantiated than rumours.

Thank you. I needed reminding of this 🥰
Notsomerryandbright · 04/12/2021 21:39

@HPFA thank you so much for that.

So the last sentence implies the children are mostly in hospital incidentally, and because they test everyone it's picking up cases and only a small percentage are actually admitted for primary covid.

I just breathed a massive sigh of relief - hopefully this data is correct!

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julieca · 04/12/2021 21:40

I dont ever remember reading rumours about either of those disproportionately affecting children. In fact with Alpha it was said very early that children seemed to only get it mildly.
It was said that Beta seemed to disproportionately affect children, but that variant never really took off.

ShiftingSands21 · 04/12/2021 21:49

There were a lot of such rumours so you must have just missed them.

julieca · 04/12/2021 21:54

Okay I didnt pay attention to rumours, just what was coming out of China and then Italy. I know from facebook memories that I posted in March 2020 suspected mortality rates coming out of China for different age groups. They said children were at very low risk. The stats then turned out to be pretty accurate.
So everything I have read says this variant is milder but very infectious. But it does affect younger children far more than previous variants. Some young children will be hospitalised, but with the virus at the milder end. South Africa have advised other governments to prepare more paediatric beds. If that is done, although a lot of people will be ill, it hopefully wont be too bad.

Marimaur · 04/12/2021 22:01

With external factors like poverty, poor healthcare, poor nutrition.. those factors have remained the same throughout the pandemic. The same age group have been exposed to all the different variants.
You are still seeing a sudden uptick in hospitalisations with the new variant.

SomebodysMum · 04/12/2021 22:05

@julieca

Okay I didnt pay attention to rumours, just what was coming out of China and then Italy. I know from facebook memories that I posted in March 2020 suspected mortality rates coming out of China for different age groups. They said children were at very low risk. The stats then turned out to be pretty accurate. So everything I have read says this variant is milder but very infectious. But it does affect younger children far more than previous variants. Some young children will be hospitalised, but with the virus at the milder end. South Africa have advised other governments to prepare more paediatric beds. If that is done, although a lot of people will be ill, it hopefully wont be too bad.
Alpha is the Kent variant, not the original covid.
julieca · 04/12/2021 22:15

Yes I know.

vera99 · 04/12/2021 22:19

www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/worrying-number-children-pregnant-women-hospital-omicron-surges/

Worrying' number of children and pregnant women in hospital as omicron surges in South Africa
A leading doctor has painted a grim picture from inside an intensive care unit on the outskirts of Johannesburg as cases top three million

By
Peta Thornycroft
JOHANNESBURG and
Will Brown
NAIROBI
4 December 2021 • 5:32am
Scientists say that omicron is behind the explosion of infections in the country's Gauteng Province, which is home to both the sprawling metropolis Johannesburg and the capital Pretoria.
Scientists say that omicron is behind the explosion of infections in the country's Gauteng Province, which is home to both the sprawling metropolis Johannesburg and the capital Pretoria. CREDIT: Phill Magakoe/Pool via REUTERS
The new omicron variant may be hospitalising more children and pregnant women than in previous waves, a leading doctor at the largest hospital in Africa told The Telegraph.

While other reports from primary care in South Africa and across the world have suggested that the symptoms of omicron may be mild – particularly for people who have been fully vaccinated – intensive care specialist Professor Rudo Mathivha painted a grim picture from inside Chris Hani Baragwanath Academic Hospital, in the vast Soweto township on the outskirts of Johannesburg.

Omicron was first identified in Botswana and South Africa, and is believed to be behind a vast recent rise in cases in South Africa.

On Friday the country saw infections surge to a record three million, with the government reporting 16,055 new cases over a 24-hour period.

"A 15-year-old died this morning. He was a new Covid-19 admission and developed pneumonia," said Professor Mathivha, in one of the first interviews given by a South African hospital doctor since the new wave began.

"So this child has died. We now have 37 [mostly unvaccinated] pregnant women [in the hospital with Covid-19 infections], and 22 of them are symptomatic. They need to be admitted into intensive care. They are pregnant. They are young.

"We shouldn't be seeing these kinds of numbers this early in the wave," she added. "We should not be seeing a young child who is moderate to severely symptomatic, needing supplementary oxygen or high care intervention. It is this which is worrying me."

Over the last ten days, South Africa's Covid-19 infection numbers have rocketed from about 300 a day to more than 11,500.

Scientists say that omicron is behind the explosion of infections in the country's Gauteng Province, which is home to both the sprawling metropolis Johannesburg and the capital Pretoria.

Chris Hani Baragwanath Academic Hospital has seen its patient numbers double this week, while hospital admissions across the region have increased sixfold in the last fortnight. Vaccination rates across South Africa remain low, at around 25 per cent.

Professor Mathivha, one of the most experienced intensive care specialists in the country, who has headed up Chris Hani's ICU units for two decades, emphasised that she was seeing a markedly different demographic being admitted to the hospital in this wave.

"We are seeing the younger population…I don't know why other people are not talking about it. I am not saying all children out there are ill, but children are being adversely affected in this wave. In the past waves, we hardly ever admitted seriously ill children."

"Now we are having to admit toddlers and kids under 15 with no co-morbidities who have severe Covid-19. They fade away in front of you. Not in hundreds, but it should not happen. We need to protect our children," she continued.

Professor Mathivha added that scores of youngsters had now been admitted to other ICU sections around Gauteng province and that she was concerned that so many schools around the province were closing a week early for Christmas.

"Everyone is keeping quiet because of cluster outbreaks in those schools. Kids are coming down with sore throats, headaches, fever, and so the schools closed saying 'we will see you next year.

"I believe this is the new variant. This is not like the previous variants," she added.

Earlier this week, the World Health Organization's Covid-19 lead, Dr Maria Van Kerkhove, said the body had seen reports ranging from mild to severe, adding that their data showed that "some" patients present with mild disease.

"It's early days," she cautioned.

The variant has sparked global alarm because it has a large number of mutations, some of which have appeared in previous variants and increased the transmissibility of the virus, or reduced to a certain extent how well vaccines protect against infection.

However, the WHO has also said that they expect vaccines will continue to provide some protection against severe disease.

The health agency's chief scientist Dr Soumya Swaminathan added on Friday: "How worried should we be? We need to be prepared and cautious, not panic, because we're in a different situation to a year ago."

Pregnant women are already known to be at high risk of coronavirus: in October, unvaccinated pregnant women made up a fifth of the most critically ill coronavirus patients in England.

Similar fears about children's vulnerability to new variants were raised in the UK at the beginning of the year, when alpha caused an explosion in cases. It was later shown that the variant was no more dangerous to children than other strains of coronavirus.

However, the world is watching South Africa closely to see if these early reports can provide a guide for the impact of omicron on the pandemic globally.

ShiftingSands21 · 04/12/2021 22:24

Even after the original covid in early 2020, I remember well there was a frantic article in the Guardian with a US paediatrician telling e.g. parents to stop cosleeping with children to avoid infecting them because it was too risky when we didn’t know enough. That freaked me out. Mothers were not allowed to breastfeed babies and stuff - things that sound pretty wild now. It could be truly dangerous this time of course, but with wild type, alpha and delta, this has always been people’s greatest fear, which is pretty normal I guess - obviously we worry about our kids. But also it’s clickbaity and it’s frustrating as a layman trying to wade through the crap info.

Notsomerryandbright · 04/12/2021 23:11

And back to worrying again. Ugh.

Thanks for copying and pasting that @vera99

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vera99 · 04/12/2021 23:18

This is an interview with the Professor mentioned in the Telegraph article.

Verite1 · 04/12/2021 23:48

A lot in the telegraph article appears to contradict what’s in the Samrc report. I think it is just too early to say which is more accurate- let’s just hope it’s the info in the Samrc report!

Grabbobabbo · 04/12/2021 23:50

Glad my child is home educated.

Obsidiansphere · 05/12/2021 00:45

@Grabbobabbo

Glad my child is home educated.
Me too!