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Reports from South Africa that omicron is disproportionately effecting under 5s

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Notsomerryandbright · 03/12/2021 23:16

I can’t see another thread title discussing this but I’ve just read that Health Officials in South Africa have reported they’ve had a disproportionate number of under 5s admitted into hospital with covid over the last 2 weeks, 29% classified as having severe infection.

I’m not trying to cause panic etc but this really worries me. Just wanted to start a thread in hope someone more knowledgeable will come along and make it seem less scary than the figures suggest.

www.news.com.au/world/africa/south-african-government-medical-adviser-reveals-how-omicron-is-hitting-under5s/news-story/995e5cb71b3e8d7d4ae159f92549b8d0

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Prescottdanni123 · 04/12/2021 00:17

*what point, not one point

julieca · 04/12/2021 00:22

@Prescottdanni123 the SAGE minutes say that vaccination rates and natural immunity from previous infection, is good in the affected area. Its not the whole of SA after all.

Shimmylikejoanholloway · 04/12/2021 00:23

I’ve been taking DS out and about as normal, into shops etc, soft play… but this is really making me reconsider until we know more. I hate being back here

GoldenOmber · 04/12/2021 07:06

There were rumours of alpha disproportionately affecting children, but it turned out it didn’t.

And then there were rumours if delta disproportionately affecting children, but it turned out it didn’t.

So I’m not going to get worried about rumours that omicron disproportionately affects children unless they become better substantiated than rumours.

Notsomerryandbright · 04/12/2021 07:10

@Shimmylikejoanholloway we’re the same, we’ve just had a few days away and I now feel like battening down the hatches.

My two haven’t had covid, and obviously no vaccine so it could hit them like a tonne of bricks. I was hoping the variant is much more widespread than thought but even that wouldn’t explain the disproportion in adults and children this time.

I really think the government need to give us the choice of whether to vaccinate kids now. It’d be a heated debate if they brought it in no doubt, but for parents who want to give them the vaccine it needs to be soon judging by that report

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Kokeshi123 · 04/12/2021 07:13

Didn't we literally have all this (COVID + kids = panic, based on what was happening in poor countries) a few months back with Delta?

Joystir59 · 04/12/2021 07:16

Only 25% of the SA population has been vaccinated.

Remmy123 · 04/12/2021 07:16

It's rumours. Scaremongering. Please live your life as normal!

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 04/12/2021 07:19

100% scaremongering - we don’t have conclusive data on the new variant yet.
All the talk about our children not being protected, even if they offered the vaccine I think the uptake in 5-12 year olds would be tiny.

Notsomerryandbright · 04/12/2021 07:29

I didn’t remember that @Kokeshi123 but just had a Google and there were plenty of reports then too so that’s something.

It does seem delta was worse though compared to o.g. Or alpha, I found this while reading just there,

‘ADH’s findings, presented at the virtual IDWeek conference, showed that there were 31.6% fewer pediatric COVID-19 cases in July 2021 than in January 2021 (8031 versus 11735), but pediatric hospitalization, ICU admission, mechanical ventilation, and death all peaked in July 2021.

Among children infected with the Delta variant, hospitalization was up by 41.9% (n=105), ICU admissions increased 68.6% (n=18), and ventilator use raised by 300% (n=8).

The one pediatric death recorded was the first in Arkansas since the start of the COVID-19 pandemic.’

The adh is the Arkansas health department so it does seem accurate that delta increased hospitalisations, so the increase South Africa’s reporting is a big jump again in comparison to delta.

This is just shit isn’t isn’t it. Good points about the general health of their under 5s, I’d imagine that would be dramatically different because of our health services etc over here.

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theriverrunsthrough · 04/12/2021 07:34

@GoldenOmber

There were rumours of alpha disproportionately affecting children, but it turned out it didn’t.

And then there were rumours if delta disproportionately affecting children, but it turned out it didn’t.

So I’m not going to get worried about rumours that omicron disproportionately affects children unless they become better substantiated than rumours.

I agree with this.

Double vaxxed and waiting for my booster but cautious about giving it to my kids. Lets not forget flu can be deadly to children. My kids have the flu Vax every year. But I am taking a wait and see approach

Mistyplanet · 04/12/2021 07:35

Its scaremongering so that you'll willingly give your children another vaccine they dont need and the pharmaceutical companies profit.

theriverrunsthrough · 04/12/2021 07:36

@OnlyFoolsnMothers

100% scaremongering - we don’t have conclusive data on the new variant yet. All the talk about our children not being protected, even if they offered the vaccine I think the uptake in 5-12 year olds would be tiny.
It will I think too. This has been a hot topic at the school gates with a lot of vocal parents saying they wouldn't be giving it to their primary school kids.
bumblingbovine49 · 04/12/2021 07:37

I really really hope this turns out to be incorrect but many illnesses disproportionately affect the old and the very young and mutations can affect this.

Fingers seriously crossed that this is wrong and that more data will show it is some sort of skewing of results sometimes seen early on in new illnesses

Sunshinegirl82 · 04/12/2021 07:43

If under 5's are predominantly affected then presumably vaccinating children over 5 would be of limited value in protecting those under 5 (other than general transmission reduction).

Are the vaccines being trialled in infants?

We simply don't know enough yet to be able to draw any sensible conclusions about anything. So, difficult as it is, we need to just wait and see.

Lelivre · 04/12/2021 07:44

@GoldenOmber

There were rumours of alpha disproportionately affecting children, but it turned out it didn’t.

And then there were rumours if delta disproportionately affecting children, but it turned out it didn’t.

So I’m not going to get worried about rumours that omicron disproportionately affects children unless they become better substantiated than rumours.

Disproportionate or more than the previous circulating variant? The latter was borne out. The original variant barely affected children, however with delta children have been driving community transmission which was not seen previously. Consequently more children have been hospitalised and have died. Long covid is also a significant consideration for children who have been infected.

This latest variant is seeing more young children in hospital in SA, in this stage of a wave than previously; rather than a high proportion of hospitalisations. This by the way, is not a rumour.

ItsSnowJokes · 04/12/2021 07:47

As far as I am aware trials of under 5s are still ongoing in some countries (none that I know of in the UK). Over 5s are being vaccinated in a lot of countries now and I fully expect the UK to follow with this. I imagine Pfizer will be the vaccine of choice here for 5+ but i hope it will also be novavax as this has had really good results in the trials.

My child is nearly 5 and I am hoping she will be getting a vaccine.

kirinm · 04/12/2021 07:54

@GoldenOmber

There were rumours of alpha disproportionately affecting children, but it turned out it didn’t.

And then there were rumours if delta disproportionately affecting children, but it turned out it didn’t.

So I’m not going to get worried about rumours that omicron disproportionately affects children unless they become better substantiated than rumours.

It has always been the opposite. Children were presenting with different symptoms.
OliveTree75 · 04/12/2021 08:04

@GoldenOmber

There were rumours of alpha disproportionately affecting children, but it turned out it didn’t.

And then there were rumours if delta disproportionately affecting children, but it turned out it didn’t.

So I’m not going to get worried about rumours that omicron disproportionately affects children unless they become better substantiated than rumours.

Exactly this. Well said
milkyaqua · 04/12/2021 08:05

In a worrying virtual press conference, government adviser Waasila Jassat, speaking about the worst-affected area of Gauteng province that contains the city of Johannesburg, said: “It’s clear in Gauteng, the week-on-week increase we’re seeing in cases and admissions is higher than we’ve seen it before. We’ve seen quite a sharp increase [in hospital admissions] across all age groups but particularly in the under 5s.”

She added: “The incidence in those under 5 is now second highest, second only to those over 60. The trend that we’re seeing now, that is different to what we’ve seen before, is a particular increase in hospital admissions in children under 5 years.

“We’ve always seen children not being very heavily affected by the COVID epidemic in the past, not having many admissions. In the third wave, we saw more admissions in young children under 5 and in teenagers, 15-19, and now, at the start of this fourth wave, we have seen quite a sharp increase across all age groups, but particularly in the under 5s.”

Jassat produced graphs that clearly showed how children under 5 years old are now being hospitalized at an alarming rate.

She said, for example, that in the city of Tshwane Metro, more than 100 children under the age of 5 were admitted to hospitals with COVID in the first two weeks of the new fourth wave (Nov. 14 to 27). In the first two weeks of the country’s third wave, in May of this year, fewer than 20 children were admitted to hospitals.

MyFieldOfFucksIsBarren · 04/12/2021 08:10

This also gives some information:

fortune.com/2021/12/03/children-contagiousness-severity-omicron-covid-variant-south-africa-who/

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Children, contagiousness, severity: What we know (and don’t know) about the Omicron COVID variant so farOmicron seems to be highly contagious with high rates of reinfection, but mildly symptomatic. But high cases among infants might be cause for concern.

BY

SOPHIE MELLOR

December 03, 2021 8:01 AM EST

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The Omicron COVID-19 strain has spread to at least32 countries, battered financial markets, and spread fear in public health officials since it was first detected a week ago and labeled a “mutation variant of serious concern” by the World Health Organization. But Omicron’s effects and potency have largely remained a mystery.

That is beginning to change, however, as doctors and researchers examine case and hospitalization data from southern Africa, where Omicron wasfirst detectedand has spread most widely.

The information about Omicron that’s been gleaned so far is preliminary, or anecdotal. But it paints the picture of a world moving into a new stage of the COVID pandemic.

“Omicron seems to be moving at a faster speed than Delta, but at the same time what seems to be happening is that our hospitalization rate is somewhat more muted,” Shabir Madhi, a vaccinologist at the University of the Witwatersrand, told Bloomberg.

Growing evidence suggests that the new variant is highly contagious and causes high rates of reinfection, and the cases it causes appear to be mildly symptomatic in general. At the same time, drugmakers, scientists, and policymakers have expressed confidence thatvaccines seem to be effectiveat stopping hospitalization and death from Omicron. That’s the good news.

The bad: It appears that Omicron infections among infants might be cause for concern.

In a push to better understand Omicron, an international 450-researcher team led by the WHO has begun a new study to isolate the variant, grow it in the lab, and identify its genomic sequence. The studyshould be published next Tuesday.

High transmission rate

With the arrival of Omicron, South Africa’s seven-day rolling average of daily new COVID infections has jumped from less than 300 just two weeks ago to 4,840 today. On Thursday alone, South Africa’s National Institute for Communicable Diseases (NICD)reported 11,535 new cases—a 35% jump from the day before.

The epicenter of new cases is Gauteng—South Africa’s most populous province, with a quarter of its population. There, Omicron is spreading faster than the Delta strain or any of the earlier mutations,according toBruce Mellado, an adviser to the provincial government.

The currentR rate in Gauteng, or the average number of secondary infections an infected person will produce, has risen to 2.33, Michelle Groome, head of health surveillance at the National Institute for Communicable Diseases (NICD), said in an online presentation today.

And while previous infections or vaccination may dull the severity of the illness in a patient, there are higher levels of “reinfections” with Omicron, implying the “susceptibility of the population is greater,” said Anne von Gottberg, a clinical microbiologist at the NICD.A preliminary studyby South African scientists, which has yet to be peer reviewed, found that the risk of reinfection from Omicron is three times higher than that of any previous variant.

Mellado, the provincial government adviser, predictedactive cases in Gautengwill peak in the coming weeks at around 40,000, compared with the 100,000 confirmed cases seen in the third wave of infections in the summer. And hospitalizations are likely to rise to about 4,000 compared with the 9,500 seen last time around.

Across the rest of Africa, infections are also rising. There has been an average 20% increase in COVID-19 cases over the past four weeks, Africa CDC Director Dr. John Nkengasong said at a virtual news briefing Thursday; he attributed the rise to the Omicron variant.

There is no clear picture what this will look like in Europe or the U.S., but the West is bracing for impact. The European Center for Disease Prevention and Control (ECDC) today released a brief in which it noted Omicron could be responsible for “over half” of all coronavirus infections in wider Europe within the next few months, suggesting “a substantial advantage over the Delta variant.”

Mild symptoms

Despite the shocking rise in cases, the symptoms, especially for those vaccinated,seem to be mild.

DrugmakerGlaxoSmithKlinereported Thursday thatin early testing, COVID-19 antibody treatments were effective against new mutations found in the variant, while the WHO saidvaccines are likely to protectagainst severe cases.

Meanwhile, Australia’s chief medical officer, Paul Kelly, said there wasn’t any indication that theOmicron variant was more deadlythan other strains: “Of the over 300 cases that have now been diagnosed in many countries, they have all been very mild or in fact had no symptoms at all.”

Richard Friedland, the chief executive of Netcare, which operates the largest private health care network in South Africa, said if the country had experienced this level of cases in the second or third wave, “we would have seen very significant increases in hospital admissions, andwe’re not seeing that. In our primary care clinics it is mainly people under 30 years old.”

Anecdotal evidence from general practitionersin South Africa also suggest milder symptoms. Anthony Smith, a doctor in Cape Town, told Bloomberg, “They are from a younger demographic and presenting with milder symptoms, mainly sore throats and respiratory phenomenon. But even in older people, it’s been relatively mild.” South African Health Minister Joe Phaahla reiterated these findingsin a media briefing on Friday, noting there was “a very steep rise” in cases, but they were mostly mild.

Infant caseload

One worrisome sign is the Omicron variant’seffect on really young children.

Data from South Africa’s NICD shows that a high number of hospital admissions in Tshwane, a northern city in Gauteng,were of infants under 2, which has raised concerns that the variant may pose risks to young children. South African scientists have said they cannot confirm whether there is a link between Omicron and the high number of child admissions.

Out of the 452 COVID-19 patients admitted in Tshwane between Nov. 14 and 28, 52 were infants—making them the most represented age group in hospitalizations. However, not all infants were tested for the new variant, and there is no clear understanding of how many might have or have had Omicron.

There is also uncertainty on whether these infants had COVID-19 at all, as all infants with respiratory symptoms are being treated as if they had COVID-19—meaning they could just have the flu, of which Twashne is experiencing an increased caseload.

The good news: Of the hospital COVID admissions of children in the 0 to 4 age range, the percentage with severe disease was significantly lower than those over age 60.

The correlation between the infant caseload and Omicron is still being examined. When asked whether people should be alarmed by the infant admissions numbers, von Gottberg, the clinical microbiologist at the NICD,told Reuters, “Not yet.

Covidworries · 04/12/2021 08:20

Its wise to be cautious right now.
Yes hopefully the data over next few weeks will be positive but early data is concerning.
Many parents have children that we CEV and shielded. They arent shielded now but atill vulnerable especially if the varient is spreading quicker.
And lets not forget that a overwhelmed medical system is unlikely to be given the best level of care to patients (covid or non covid) if there are too many at one time and staff are at breaking point.

At this time i am sending my children into school but i very much ready to remove them if I feel that this is needed. I am watching the data and hopong i act quick enough if needed

Lalalablahblahblah · 04/12/2021 08:37

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Notsomerryandbright · 04/12/2021 08:53

I agree @Lalalablahblahblah especially as they’ve been so quick to share the discovery of the variant even though it’s shafted them with restrictions etc. there’s no political or financial motivation for a countries health department to lie.

It’s not another vaccine they don’t need either, the reason we have such low levels of infant mortality is because of our excellent vaccination programme and access to clean water and healthy food.

If a new strain of meningitis or similar suddenly appeared I’m sure people would be queuing up with their children, but there’s always this undertone of distrust around covid that I’ve never been able to get my head around.

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walksen · 04/12/2021 08:56

"100% scaremongering"

You are incorrect here. This is from a briefing the SA health dept who have very clear statistical evidence that compared to the Delta waves there are a higher number of under 5's being admitted. You can watch it on YouTube even.

It may be that they get infected far more easily or the demographics of infections of the omicron wave is different. Maybe the infections are front loaded in the first 2 weeks and when they have more data e.g compare the first month of each wave the numbers will even out - - but they are concerned.

This is different from the alpha Delta stories where you had individual doctors saying they were seeing more kids in their e MN regency department and numbers were maybe higher but only because the wave was bigger/ more kids were infected.

Don't think it is time to worry too much yet but worth keeping an eye on.