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Omicron New Variant Thread 2 *title edited by MNHQ at OP's request*

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Thewiseoneincognito · 01/12/2021 21:42

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Sparklingbrook · 03/12/2021 12:59

@milkyaqua

It's all just musings on the internet.

I think it's a bit more than that because there can be serious repercussions like death when people are caught up in and influenced by some of the anti-vaxx and anti-mask 'musings'.

Yes, I see what you mean.. I was thinking more of the 'will this happen/will there be a lockdown the stuff you need a crystal ball for and people appear to say 'Oh yes there definitely will you mark my words'. I am hoping people can see now when there's clearly an agenda and scroll on by.
herecomesthsun · 03/12/2021 13:02

I think we are very fortunate to have the vaccines (big positive) and also the strong possibility that there will be new versions that target the new variant.

Of course, with science, there is a technical process to go through, but it is a boon that has saved an estimated almost half a million lives in Europe.

Also, there are some indications that this variant is not more virulent #caution waiting for more data#

Although it does appear to be more transmissible, and I agree that's a significant concern.

Then again, we do have the boosters

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/02/covid-booster-shots-significantly-strengthen-immunity-trial-finds

www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02717-3/fulltext

“These are remarkably effective immunological boosters, way above what is needed to prevent hospitalisation and death,” said Prof Saul Faust,

(We don't know for sure that this will protect against omicron, but the professors are hopeful, and I'm quietly hoping as well, and being very very careful)

Notashandyta · 03/12/2021 13:21

Another red toothbrush devotee here I'm afraid.

She had it spot on in 2020, and me and my hubby look put for her musings Wink

Sparklingbrook · 03/12/2021 13:28

Be interesting to see whose crystal balls were right in 8 week's time.

IndigoC · 03/12/2021 13:32

I watched the latest update from SA authorities this morning. Some very concerning trends in hospitalisation, particularly in under 4s. Early days, but something to keep an eye on.

MarshaBradyo · 03/12/2021 13:33

Hard to know with this one, am reserving judgement atm!

I did read a thread from Jan 2020 there was an incredibly perceptive poster who predicted most of it, they seem to have gone (or nc)

Shimmylikejoanholloway · 03/12/2021 13:47

They really need to update the symptoms list. I had a four day migraine a couple of weeks ago and didn’t test because I get migraines so just assumed it was one. However I couldn’t understand why it wouldn’t go and I’ve never had one like that before. I tested a week before when I felt cold like and got a negative on lateral flows but my dad never got a positive lateral flow despite testing positive on a PCR so I do wonder if I had it now. Despite being a seasoned migraine sufferer I’ve never experienced a headache like it.

I wonder if it will come out that omicron has more headache based symptoms as I’m hearing a lot of people are experiencing the same and testing positive (prior to PCR being sequenced for omicron)

DottyHarmer · 03/12/2021 13:57

I follow the middle-line posters, eg RedToothBrush, that’s why I was alarmed when they were quite downbeat.

I shrug at those (eg the dearly departed Nanny) who seemed cheered by every bit of bad news and likewise the overly-optimistic posters or those who say “No one can cancel my plans.” Well, Omicron can. And I’ll add in those who think covid is somehow sentient and talk about its aims and thoughts about whether or not to kill its host Confused

Quartz2208 · 03/12/2021 14:01

@Shimmylikejoanholloway they do need to because pretty much every person I know with Delta has had headache so I think that is Delta rather than Omicron

MarshaBradyo · 03/12/2021 14:02

Speaking of positive or not

Should I book an entertainer for 31st Dec four year old birthday? Non returnable deposit. Refund is - ‘we will be reasonable and work it out’

I’m thinking my desire to have this party is clouding the obvious flakiness in returns

Cba starting a thread so I’ll take answers here ;

weddingguesttbc · 03/12/2021 14:04

@MarshaBradyo how much is the deposit? And what's the party size etc?

Worth a punt I'd say!

Quartz2208 · 03/12/2021 14:05

I wouldnt @MarshaBradyo book anything that I couldnt get my money back or move around easily in this current environment Omicron or no Omicron

NotJustACigar · 03/12/2021 14:05

I fee bad for entertainers but that "policy" really is quite flaky. I'd wait a bit and try to see if there are other entertainers who would be just as good in case that particular one gets booked up.

MarshaBradyo · 03/12/2021 14:07

Cost £200 deposit £100

Party size not sure yet - Medium size to big I reckon, at home though

I would stick her and dd, and numbers that are allowed, outside if the powers that be rained on our parade. She needs a celebration after last year and is already excited as anything

Orchid876 · 03/12/2021 14:08

DD tested positive on a LF test this morning, so we've done a PCR test and are waiting for the results. Does everyone who gets tested now actually get tested for Omnicron? I would find that surprising as surely we don't have the capacity for all that sequencing? Has anyone else been told it's Omnicron yet? We'll just wait and see if we get contacted by Test and Trace and get told it's possibly Omnicron so we all have to isolate for 10 days. I've noticed that the guidance appears to have changed from what I thought was the case at the weekend. I thought we'd only need to all isolate if it was confirmed Omnicron, but household isolation seems to be required if it's only suspected Omnicron. I wonder at what point it's "suspected" in everyone who is positive? Not long presumably if it's outcompeting Delta.

MarshaBradyo · 03/12/2021 14:08

Ok cool yes she was really flakey

herecomesthsun · 03/12/2021 14:09

I'd plan something outdoors that a) would be more likely to happen even if the situation changes and b) I wouldn't lose much money on

which is more or less what we have done this year (skiing and a birthday membership to local gardens, with a cafe, that my daughter likes)

but I can also totally see why you would want a special birthday party with an entertainer and I hope it goes well whatever you do

manolantern · 03/12/2021 14:12

@DottyHarmer

I follow the middle-line posters, eg RedToothBrush, that’s why I was alarmed when they were quite downbeat.

I shrug at those (eg the dearly departed Nanny) who seemed cheered by every bit of bad news and likewise the overly-optimistic posters or those who say “No one can cancel my plans.” Well, Omicron can. And I’ll add in those who think covid is somehow sentient and talk about its aims and thoughts about whether or not to kill its host Confused

I also like the Middle of the Road/centrists.

Covid becoming sentient is one mutation we can do without!

Though "What advice would you give the virus?" was a question in this R4 programme on variants which I bet is worth a listen:

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001215f

twitter.com/jcbarret/status/1466728393995689993

RedToothBrush · 03/12/2021 14:13

@Sparklingbrook

There have been so many untruths posted on MN since the pandemic started. The Coronavirus topic is not always a good place to be because posters sound very sure of themselves but probably have an agenda, and there's those that love to wind people up and use dramatic language while doing so. It's all just musings on the internet.
Right I'm going to ask you straight out.

Do you think I have an agenda? Because it sounds very much like that is what you are suggesting and implying. And if you think that please have the guts to say it and explain what you think my agenda is.

herecomesthsun · 03/12/2021 14:20

Re omicron

Danny Altmann (Prof of Immunology at Imperial) on now (14.13 on Indie Sage)

30 odd mutations on virus - it looked scary to the scientists - how could it still be recognised by the body's immune response?

However the data from SA and the data on the boosters makes him hopeful that the boosters will give some protection

Also there was the suggestion that the T cell response won't be reduced by the spike protein changes.

Generally fairly positive.

We do of course need more data.

And the UCL academics have cancelled their Xmas parties....

vera99 · 03/12/2021 14:21

Dominic Cumming's is alarmed.

A few thoughts on covid…

A. I hope you’re all taking Vitamin D per previous advice. If not then start especially given…

B. The data on omicron is changing quickly but, like in 2020, the basics are much worse than you are hearing from most of the newspapers and ministers. Omicron is spreading much faster than delta did in a SA population that has already been widely exposed to covid. We don’t yet know how relatively deadly omicron is.

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A short thread with some thoughts & calculations of mine about Omicron. Still preliminary, so don't take any figures as final, but it's a start... 🧵
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December 2nd 2021

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C. The vaccine taskforce existed because of Brexit, the Vote Leave team in No10, Vallance pushing it, and DHSC collapsing Feb-April 2020 so bureaucratic resistance collapsed. This meant that me-Vallance-Sedwill-Sunak all told the PM to roll the dice instead of letting Hancock blunder around in what seemed an inevitably bureaucratic and slow EU process.

Many times this year I have pointed out that we should have been spending 2021 building on its success and extending the principles of high performance to an antiviral taskforce.

Instead, the PM a) decided to try to rewrite history and sent out Hancock to do this across the media (‘there was no herd immunity plan, these aren’t the droids you’re looking for…’), b) allowed normal Westminster entropy to 1) degrade the taskforce and 2) fail even to order enough antivirals, hence a quiet panic underway this week.

Yes, it’s always worse than you think. It’s a pandemic… killed millions… cost so many trillions… obviously when we have drugs that work governments will do everything to procure, manufacture, distribute… Right…? WRONG!

Further, the vaccine/drug effort should have been and should be more diverse. E.g Almost everybody targeted the spike, the most accessible part of the virus to the immune system. Proposals to target the virus in other ways have not been properly funded. I was looking through some 2020 messages this week and it is striking that this advice was given to us in 2020 but it has been ignored instead of funded in 2021. I’ve no idea what else might be a good idea but it is typical/depressing that many great scientists have argued for this but the bureaucracies have mostly kept funding narrow instead of diverse like they almost always do.

In a crisis like this where problems are new there should always be funding for ideas outside the mainstream. Remember, in spring-summer 2020 Whitehall bureaucracy scuppered funding for fast tests and had to be forced to change their minds by No10 after some young scientists came to us directly. The new tests worked. We secretly procured hundreds of millions — and of course Westminster has spent more time in 2021 complaining about our rapid procurement of tests in 2020 that have saved thousands than arguing for faster procurement of vaccines and antivirals to face the future! What was dismissed as ‘fringe’ is now mainstream. Also note that, for example, one of the world’s very best biologists and a CRISPR pioneer, George Church (Harvard), was experimenting with nasal vaccines in summer 2020. Diversity in funding is hated by normal bureaucracies but brings massive rewards.

As I’ve also said many times this year the most important lesson of covid is not even about pandemics. It’s that even after a disaster as big as covid, our political parties and permanent bureaucracies will prioritise business as usual over learning, even when many great officials want to learn — the system’s culture and incentives defeat them. When you accept this fact, which seems too awful for most to absorb, the world makes more sense. It’s also the starting point for figuring out what we should do next.

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12/ So why are MPs accepting the lack of a public plan now for VTF viz variants? Especially when rumours reach me that the silent entropy of Whitehall is slowly turning VTF back into a ‘normal’ entity?
May 18th 2021

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I advise against relying on early weak signals of good news. For most normal families it’s been better to assume the worst throughout. As I advised a few weeks ago, it is wise to think about how your family will cope with the combination of supply chain chaos, covid, and No10 uselessness and lies.

For expert reasoning under uncertainty, follow people like Zvi who has consistently been ahead of — and exposed the errors of — official entities such as CDC, FDA, WHO, PHE, EU.

Also remember that the newspapers have a huge commercial interest in commuter traffic. They have systematically distorted covid news from the start and the owners call the PM to tell him certain policies hit their balance sheet and he listens and acts. This vicious feedback loop is not reported on for obvious reasons but it strongly affects YOUR information environment unless you try hard to seek information outside legacy media... (Yes there are of course some mainstream hacks doing a good job, even at the FT! E.g @jburnmurdoch)

vera99 · 03/12/2021 14:23

The thread he mentions.

twitter.com/TWenseleers/status/1466501989500653568?s=20

herecomesthsun · 03/12/2021 14:24

At a quick glance that seems to suggest that Dominic Cummings thinks that Dominic Cummings is very important and values Dominic Cummings' opinion above that of anyone else.

Clearly he always knew best, all the time?

IndigoC · 03/12/2021 14:26

The (very) preliminary data from SA indicates that vaccines are still doing a good job of keeping people out of hospital. Risk seems markedly higher with Omicron for unvaccinated groups, and worryingly higher for young children.

vera99 · 03/12/2021 14:27

That's always a given - but he did apparently give us the vaccine task force along with Vallance and his eyesight seems to have improved somewhat since the Barnard Castle debacle.

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