Heartbreaking article in the Guardian.

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Absolutely heart breaking. Will it change anyone's mind re the vaccine I wonder? His family certainly hope so.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/nov/30/life-tragic-death-john-eyers-fitness-fanatic-who-refused-covid-vaccine?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

Well as long as you don't criticise people who do the same if they regret the vaccine due to damage.

The number of people dying/having long term damage from covid and the number of people dying/having damage from the vaccine are not even remotely in the same ballpark.

Genuinely pisses me off the amount of people who think they know better than actual scientists.

I’m not anti vax

Ive had both mine as have my teens

A lot of the people that are in the newspapers that have died have also been overweight, often obese but always described as in good health. There was a couple in the DM this week, both overweight.

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A lot of the people that are in the newspapers that have died have also been overweight, often obese but always described as in good health. There was a couple in the DM this week, both overweight.

Weight has always been the elephant in the room. When pics of the healthcare workers who died from Covid came out, you could see that the huge majority of them were obese. But no one will class it as an underlying condition.... when it absolutely is one.

@User5489205347

A lot of the people that are in the newspapers that have died have also been overweight, often obese but always described as in good health. There was a couple in the DM this week, both overweight.

BMI is a known risk for poor outcomes from covid.

@Watapalava I have read the other link you provided. So it looks like you may be right that he did have asthma, apologies to you. The most recent article should have mentioned this if it really is true. Not mentioning it just gives more ammunition to the antivaxxers.

@User5489205347

A lot of the people that are in the newspapers that have died have also been overweight, often obese but always described as in good health. There was a couple in the DM this week, both overweight.

It was quite clear very early on in the pandemic that being overweight or obese was a risk factor. It absolutely should be considered as an underlying condition. When this trend became evident the first thing I did was start losing weight and improving my fitness. I’m amazed more people haven’t taken action tbh and baffled there hasn’t been more of a push to encourage it.

When I was at university a super fit college athlete in his early 20s died from flu complications. That didn't make me want to get the flu vaccine any more than this story makes me want to be vaccinated against Covid.

Endurance sports like running marathons can lower your immunity to illness after competing so sometimes super fit is not all good

These reports just give me an empty kind of sadness, it’s all such a waste of people’s potential and unnecessary pain inflicted on their families. Although, thankfully, these occasions are becoming rarer compared to 2020.

What struck me in this article was the description of the ICU staff. Their work goes unseen and to most of us is a complete mystery. I wonder how much longer we can expect them to carry this kind of weight? It’s too much too often.

Being obese is of course generally bad for your health, but I thought age was the biggest factor ? how many times have we heard the 'the people who are dying are older than life expectancy' trope on here ? Which of course they maybe, but they probably aren't also the people in ICU beds on ventilators, CPAP possibly, but ventilated probably not.

So who are the people in ICU ?

@frumpety

Being obese is of course generally bad for your health, but I thought age was the biggest factor ? how many times have we heard the 'the people who are dying are older than life expectancy' trope on here ? Which of course they maybe, but they probably aren't also the people in ICU beds on ventilators, CPAP possibly, but ventilated probably not.

So who are the people in ICU ?

No point putting someone who is elderly with lots of underlying conditions on a ventilator if the outcome is poor.

The papers don't seem to report about people over 60, though of course they are going for the shock factor.

Won't go into too much detail as it's outing but where I live a man of a similar age died too. He was very fit and healthy, fitness fanatic. He contracted covid and died a few days later. I think it was his heart giving up brought on by the virus. This was before the vaccine though so he didn't even get the chance to get vaccinated.

I don't see the relevance of pointing out he had asthma or anything else to be honest.
A man has died, ffs. Show some respect.

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Endurance sports like running marathons can lower your immunity to illness after competing so sometimes super fit is not all good

It’s true that pushing your body to extremes does cause stress and a temporary reduction in immunity. For most people staying a healthy weight and exercising is a positive thing, not just in relation to covid but many other illnesses too. People who are super fit know how to train and recover without stressing their body and making themselves susceptible to illness or injury. You can always find the rare example of the super fit person dropping dead but there are many more for people who are overweight and unfit.

The fact he has asthma just makes me think his death is even more tragic. A vaccine could have saved him

The papers don't seem to report about people over 60, though of course they are going for the shock factor.

You might need to nudge that number up to 67/68 as that is now state and private pension age for a lot of people, including a lot of the staff in the NHS.

No point putting someone who is elderly with lots of underlying conditions on a ventilator if the outcome is poor.

So who are the covid patients on ventilators ?

@frumpety

No point putting someone who is elderly with lots of underlying conditions on a ventilator if the outcome is poor.

So who are the covid patients on ventilators ?

People who it might help.

[quote alreadytaken]Anti-vaxers on here will claim anything - including that someone had severe asthma when they didnt. A commonly used asthma drug can even be beneficial. www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/news/asthma-drug-covid-19-recovery/[/quote]
Yes, they will, just what I was thinking!

People who it might help

So people who are young and healthy enough to be expected to make some sort of recovery ?

One thing I do wonder about the anti-vaxxer people who have tragically died, if you don't believe you are going to need help, when do you decide to ask for help ?
There is quite a bit of research on 'happy hypoxia' which is a very bad place to be if you aren't in a medical setting that recognises it, I wonder how many people have died unnecessarily because they haven't been able to recognise how unwell they have become ? So deteriorate to a point where it is difficult to treat them ?

It is incredibly sad. So much unnecessary pain for so many people. I've seen so many videos of US antivaxxers struggling to breathe and still insisting they are glad they aren't vaccinated. I feel so sorry for them and their families, such pointless, painful deaths.

In years to come people will look back on this and wonder what collective madness overtook so many people, previously 'normal' people suddenly looking for conspiracies in everything. Spreading lies and causing so many deaths that could easily be prevented. I don't know how antivaxxers and people who don't call themselves antivaxxers but still continue to spread misinformation and encourage other people not to get vaccinated can be ok with the pain they are causing.

It was quite clear very early on in the pandemic that being overweight or obese was a risk factor. It absolutely should be considered as an underlying condition. When this trend became evident the first thing I did was start losing weight and improving my fitness. I’m amazed more people haven’t taken action tbh and baffled there hasn’t been more of a push to encourage it

Quite the opposite in fact. Publishing scare stories about every "jogger" "probably having covid" and creating disincentives for people to go out and get exercise.

It is true that doing too much exercise can be almost as bad as doing too little. Maybe his body was worn out and not capable to withstanding serious illness.

People who are super fit know how to train and recover without stressing their body and making themselves susceptible to illness or injury

I don't know if I agree with this - I know quite a few people who completely overdo exercise. A lot of runners at least have no concept of "enough is enough".

There is an interesting comment on this article about him - that he has taken steroids for years and maybe they'd caused damage to his organs. We'll never know but it's a very sad story: www.thetimes.co.uk/article/covid-is-a-reminder-that-no-one-is-invincible-2nzmsbhvc