Not vaccinated but need to show Covid pass...

[wineislife21]

Basically I need to show a covid pass to get into the venue of my works Xmas do.

I haven't been vaccinated but have seen I can get a negative PCR and still have a 'Covid pass' as such.

My question is does the Covid pass on the app appear as a PR code scrambled picture thingy whether it's a double jabbed pass or a negative PCR result?

Hope that makes sense.

That reads bad, I’m not calling you wannabeamummysobad an idiot I was calling my friend one!

@Bigballer

In England Covid passports are not a legal requirement. You could claim discrimination if you are excluded from the work party.

I bet you're the type that says it's illegal to ask someone why they're not wearing a mask 😂

Of course LFTs show the control line regardless of whether you have swabbed, that's not bullshit at all.

It's not a quantitative test. It's purely a yes liquid is detected (line) and yes covid is detected (test line)

Just like a pregnancy test the control line detects irons - the test line just says whether it detects hcg.

PCR produce inconclusives because it's amplifying the DNA in the sample and if there isn't any there it won't work.

They work completely differently

@wannabeamummysobad

I know someone who just dropped the liquid onto the test strip and got a negative response. Took a picture and reported it as negative on the app

@OnTheBoardwalk I call bullshite on this. If you just poured the liquid into the specimen well or didn't swab far enough to get an accurate sample your test would show no line and come back inconclusive.

I agree people can lie that they've tested, or lie about the results but you can't "trick" the actual test.

Yes you can. If you just put the buffer liquid on then it's the same as having no covid in your sample. You only get inconclusive if the test kit itself is faulty.

Why aren’t you vaccinated?

I suggest you read this:
www.theguardian.com/society/2021/nov/30/life-tragic-death-john-eyers-fitness-fanatic-who-refused-covid-vaccine?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR0dC_u0cDWbyL2gwxL6sjglBBi7d5I8CaHK1y5X05Ll10IdGdX2oLTJtzk#Echobox=1638256054

[quote Lalliella]Why aren’t you vaccinated?

I suggest you read this:
www.theguardian.com/society/2021/nov/30/life-tragic-death-john-eyers-fitness-fanatic-who-refused-covid-vaccine?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR0dC_u0cDWbyL2gwxL6sjglBBi7d5I8CaHK1y5X05Ll10IdGdX2oLTJtzk#Echobox=1638256054[/quote]
Why are you asking? It's none of your business. OP wasn't asking if she should get vaccinated or not.

Just borrow a friends phone who has it. No one is going to check closely they just look for the tick.

@TheNoonBell

Just borrow a friends phone who has it. No one is going to check closely they just look for the tick.

That would be a dick move

*but you only get a covid pass generated if vaccinated or had covid in the last 6 months, don't you?
No, also if you’ve taken a negative test in the last 48 hours

@wineislife21

Basically I need to show a covid pass to get into the venue of my works Xmas do.

I haven't been vaccinated but have seen I can get a negative PCR and still have a 'Covid pass' as such.

My question is does the Covid pass on the app appear as a PR code scrambled picture thingy whether it's a double jabbed pass or a negative PCR result?

Hope that makes sense.

Absolutely ridiculous.

A negative result is what COUNTS. Heck, Boris Johnson hasn't had his booster yet.

This thread exemplifies the inherent limits of so called mandates and requirement that are not enforced at effective gunpoint. And also reduces the mitigation techniques to medical theatre and feel good actions.

Sure, things like covid passports can be better than nothing, but they are implemented and approached as nothing more than a tick box. Yes, double jabbed people are less likely to be spreaders, but their rate of spread potential is still well beyond high enough, even to other vaccinated people to be a serious concern. Vaccinated without also having regular negative covid tests to participate in social situations seriously undermines the effectiveness of the vaccine in herd situations.

Same goes for masking. Yes, masks are effective in laboratory conditions, but once you take into account improperly worn or fitted masks, hand made cloth masks, masks that aren't replaced or washed regularly and properly, there effectiveness as mitigation is seriously reduced.

Perhaps the biggest factor in undermining the effectiveness of the mitigation strategies is the false sense of security these things have instilled in people, coupled with the social divides it has caused. To achieve the results some appear to want would take measures even the most pro mitigation people would have a hard time stomaching.

How does this work if you don't have the NHS app?
I would be happy to provide a negative LFT to get in somewhere if it was an absolute last resort, but I have no idea how these things work.

@XenoBitch

How does this work if you don't have the NHS app? I would be happy to provide a negative LFT to get in somewhere if it was an absolute last resort, but I have no idea how these things work.

I just read on a couple of venue websites that you are expected to do an LFT 48 hours before attending, use the instructions in the test kit to register the result with the NHS, then use the text message or email they send you as 'proof' of your result.

Having read on here several instances of people 'faking' the test, that's about as reliable as a vaccine passport for a virus that isn't prevented by the vaccine 😂

"You want to go to your worked Xmas party and mingle with people and you are unvaccinated? 😮😮😮😮😮😮😮"

*As opposed to a vaccinated person who hasn't even bothered checking to find out if they're carrying Covid??

Seriously. Some of the PRO VAX people really are THIS STUPID. *

Would much rather mingle with a non vaccinated person who has just tested negative than a vaccinated person who has no bloody clue whether they're infectious or not.

Hallelujah! I'll be doing a test in a couple of weeks time to attend a massive indoor event whereas all the jabbed up posse (some that had their last jab in June) can waltz in untested. Perfect sense 😂

Everyone who's coming to our christmas party has been vaccinated, and boosted as we're NHS. But we've been asked to take a lateral flow test that day anyhow, just in case, and to stay at home if we have any sort of illness. Not that complicated tbh, just basic civility - why risk making other people unwell just before Christmas?

@Gladioli23

I reckon you should probably do a test and register it the day the tests arrive as well as immediately before the party. The app will have to link to your reported test result and I wouldn't want to only rely on it coming through if it was the day of the party - it might be quite a lot of stress if they aren't linked up correctly or something.

If you do one as soon as you get them then you've got a test run to see e.g. how long it takes for the data to flow through (does it only come through when they do batch runs overnight etc etc).

Thanks @Gladioli23 good idea!

And thank you other ladies for all your suggestions and thoughts 😊

@SpamIAm

Love how people come on here stating incorrect information as absolute fact.

You register your lateral flow result through your nhs account and then it will update your Covid pass account. Your Covid pass will be valid for 48 hours.

A Covid pass is a Covid pass (and there are several ways to get one for all those who think only the double vaxxed are allowed out), it doesn't say why you're eligible for the pass or anything. The only difference would be that your expiry date will be shorter.

Thanks for this!

Yes, tests for everyone. I think it is dangerous to assume someone who is fully jabbed is 100% safe.
I am due to meet with some friends who are fully jabbed for our xmas gathering. I am unvaccinated, yet seen as a massive risk (according to MN anyway). I am happy to do an LFT before meeting them. Will they be happy to do the same? Or assume they are ok due to being jabbed? I would feel safer if all of us got tested.

I don't think you need the WR code. That doesn't actually contain any visible information. At the theatre last week I had to hit the international travel part of the app that detailed the relevant jabs for staff to see for themselves. A text from NHS stating test results was accepted for my auntie, who is double jabbed but was so in NZ so can't use the info for a Scottish passport

@XenoBitch

Yes, tests for everyone. I think it is dangerous to assume someone who is fully jabbed is 100% safe. I am due to meet with some friends who are fully jabbed for our xmas gathering. I am unvaccinated, yet seen as a massive risk (according to MN anyway). I am happy to do an LFT before meeting them. Will they be happy to do the same? Or assume they are ok due to being jabbed? I would feel safer if all of us got tested.

Ask them. Make them aware that testing is a condition on going (if its a deal breaker). I am fully vaccinated and would never expect others to test in a situation I wasn't happy to do so myself (whether they were vaccinated or not).

@XenoBitch

Yes, tests for everyone. I think it is dangerous to assume someone who is fully jabbed is 100% safe. I am due to meet with some friends who are fully jabbed for our xmas gathering. I am unvaccinated, yet seen as a massive risk (according to MN anyway). I am happy to do an LFT before meeting them. Will they be happy to do the same? Or assume they are ok due to being jabbed? I would feel safer if all of us got tested.

And that's just it isn't it? The real politicization and "othering" I mean, yes, being double jabbed with booster does reduce likeliness of transmission, but not to the point where transmission is unlikely and testing unnecessary.

If people were actually serious, and not just playing at being holier than thou about the public health aspects of this they claim to be so concerned about, there would be no exceptions. Mandatory regular testing for everyone who goes out in public and interacts with other people, regardless of vaccination status, including, and especially children, and enforced quarantining for positives and exposed.

I think those on the highest of horses would not like, and likely refuse to live in the world up high there.

On what grounds? Vaccination status is not a protected characteristic

No but if you have a disability that prevents you from being vaccinated, that is.

Anyway the point here is that if you are unvaccinated and test, you are less of a risk than someone who is vaccinated and hasn't tested.

@PyongyangKipperbang I test at least weekly, usually twice or more. I teach & my son is CEV (& unvaccinated because foolish). It’s not mandatory for work, but damn right I test!

Mind you, I have Covid now (PCR result this morning) & I admit the only advantage I have thought of so far is not being supposed to test again until 01st March!!! 🥳

You can tell the difference between a negative LFT QR code and a double vaxxed QR code as the dates are different.

For negative LFT the expiry date is a static 48 hours from negative LFT.

For double vaxxed it’s 30 days but that 30 days refreshes every time you log in.

So if the expiry is anything less than 30 days it’s obviously a negative LFT QR code.

But, you would have to know that to be able to tell.

Let me tell you a story. ..

I am double jabbed. Second vaccine in March this year because I am clinically vulnerable due to impaired immunity.

My 'best friend' .. who I has assumed was a grown functioning intelligent adult .. an architect.. so not short on brain cells ... decided to pop in and visit.. she needed to stay over as had an appointment near me the next morning.. when she arrived she had a headache and went and had a lie down. I didn't Think anything of it. She woke up three hours later, declaring that she had a temperature. I did a lateral flow test. for her. It took about 10 seconds to show a positive for Covid. It was only then that she told me she had not been vaccinated as she did not believe it was safe. This was so far away from how I thought she would be, that we hadn't even discussed it..

She felt pretty shitty for 5 days.
7 days later I was in hospital. 3 days after that an anaesthetist came to discuss ventilation if my oxygen intake didn't improve...

I have never been so scared... I got lucky.. I stayed in the amber xone and out of the red... 2 weeks later I am home.. I have a 18, 22 and 25 year old who were looking at losing their mother ..

My booster was booked for the day AFTER I tested positive.

People who don't get vaccinated are the most SELFISH SELFISH ARSEHOLES WHO WALK THIS EARTH..

What gives YOU the right to put ME, MY Children and HUSBAND through what we have been through ?