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What does cancelling Christmas actually mean?
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User135644 · 27/11/2021 09:15

A lot of talk and fear now that Christmas is going to be screwed again with this new variant causing a lot of fear and panic.

What does that actually mean though in practice? Christmas to me is spending time with family and i'll be doing that regardless. They aren't going to stop people visiting relatives this year (at least not locally).

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Whatiswrongwithmyknee · 27/11/2021 10:50

It's hard to spend time with family when they are a significant drive away and we all work. Xmas is the only time people really stop at the same time in my experience so it is very different spending time together at Xmas than at other times of year. Cool if people are not really fussed about it. Not cool at all to expect others to feel the same.

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daisychain01 · 27/11/2021 10:51

Based on all the messages coming out of Extinction Rebellion and offshoots of that movement, they would really love Christmas to be cancelled and replaced with a scaled-back version, so people don't hammer their credit cards on Amazon and other retailers, buying cheap shite that goes into landfill, and burn fossil fuel driving hundreds of miles around the country just because it's Christmas.

I don't agree with a lot of what they're doing but they do have a point, so should we be taking some of those messages on board and joining the dots by reducing COVID infection rates and simultaneously helping to reduce harm to the planet.

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SleepingStandingUp · 27/11/2021 10:51

@poshme come to the spa with me and @Cattitudes, we have room for one more after you

Perhaps @BlowBadness would like to limit reproduction to maintain the 4 person per house rule tok

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PersephoneJames · 27/11/2021 10:51

last Christmas was utterly, utterly shit for us too.

fuck... this is horrific.

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poshme · 27/11/2021 10:52

Lockdown for 3-4 months every winter? What planet are you on? The one where money grows on trees I suppose? Where no one has mental health issues? Where children and teenagers don't need to socialise in order to grow up well rounded people?

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110APiccadilly · 27/11/2021 10:52

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poshme · 27/11/2021 10:52

@SleepingStandingUp I'll book my tickets now.
Love a day at the spa.

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LivinginWFHlimbo · 27/11/2021 10:54

@BettyfromBristol

A lot of the problem is that Christmas is made out to be such an event and expectations get out of hand. Surely time spent with family is precious at any time of year? I'm really not fussed if we don't meet with family on a couple of days in late December, seeing them before or afterwards will be just as good. For Christians the (incorrect) anniversary of Jesus's birth will happen whether there is a lockdown or not.

But any restrictions wouldn't be just for Christmas, would they? I wouldn't have been so upset about not seeing my family at Christmas last year if we could have just celebrated on the 28th or something; as it was it was May before it stopped being illegal for me to sit in my parents' house.
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Fairylights25 · 27/11/2021 10:56

NotMyCat Instead of wishing for lockdown perhaps a permanent reinforcement of boundaries would serve you better.
Please just say no!
'I am not putting my health at risk for Christmas lunch in the restaurant, you can either come for drinks in the garden or at a push lunch at our house given I am CEV or we will see next year, at least that way I can expect to see another Christmas'

Christmas is not more important than your life, a restaurant booking certainly isn't. So bloody optional. Please tell me you will put your foot down on this, this is the hill to literally die on. I am double vaccinated and caught covid, and was seriously ill. I don't want to scare anyone and join blow with the doom mongering but the CEV still have to be very careful.

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VaguelyInteresting · 27/11/2021 10:56

Well, someone needs to stop @BlowBadness reading dystopian fiction, stat. And I say that as someone who plays a running game of “1984” and “children of men” bingo with govt pronouncements (across the board. Not just re: covid).

It’s important to remember that viruses can mutate themselves into less deadly and less effective strains (seemingly what we’re seeing in Japan) and also that EVEN when there are long running pandemics/ epidemics, even when these are incredibly deadly or injurious (Spanish flu, smallpox, polio) - society eventually just lives with it, with very little disruption to the social order once the worst is over. They are ruptures, but ruptures we tend to be seemingly inclined as a society to knit back together as closely as possible to how things were before. (However shit that might have been!)

Things that DO change legally/at a high political level/ socially tend to be directly linked to healthcare, disease control, etc.

I actually think there have been some enormous missed opportunities around covid to create new ways of living and thinking that could have left us in a far better place post-covid than we were before- for example, the issues with transmission in schools would have been a BRILLIANT opportunity to move more schools towards more outdoor based learning (forest school style), as ventilation is key- instead it was “ah open a window and hope for the best”.

We saw an enormous benefit to the planet very quickly when manufacturing shut down briefly- did this suggest that there might be environmental merit in global “holidays” once every year or six months, when all non essential manufacturing stopped? Like massive “rest periods” for the planet? (Taking the Mexico City model where you can only drive your car on certain days)?

Other things like UBI, shorter work weeks, use of masks in winter to reduce all viral transmission, reduction of reliance on plane travel and renewal of interest in train travel...

All of these things - some very small and practical, others insanely blue sky- could be interesting to explore. Maybe we still will. Maybe that’s what will come from this Omicron variant- maybe it will be really transmissible, and necessitate lockdowns - a second chance to learn the lessons from 2020? Or maybe it will fizzle or burn itself out?

None of us knows- but I can guarantee that at some point - probably soon- we will socially come to an unconscious agreement to just “live with it”- whatever that means for death tolls/ long term effects- rightly or wrongly. It’s what we’ve done for millennia, from the plague to the Spanish flu.

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maddiemookins16mum · 27/11/2021 10:56

I hate the stupid expression ‘Christmas is cancelled’. It wasn’t last year either. Christmas will still happen regardless and even if they do impose restrictions, people will mostly ignore them.

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GoldenOmber · 27/11/2021 11:00

For Christians the (incorrect) anniversary of Jesus's birth will happen whether there is a lockdown or not.

It was a bit shit when all the churches were closed and we couldn’t see our families, though.

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HesterShaw1 · 27/11/2021 11:03

@ThePlantsitter

If people would wear masks because they give a shit about others rather than dependent on the law it might help. This government is incapable of legislating anything but reactive blunt instrument measures or things that line their own pockets.

Are people STILL trotting out this bullshit?
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VaguelyInteresting · 27/11/2021 11:03

Sorry- I wanted to add but posted too soon- I personally don’t think that the death toll - particularly in this country- is acceptable and it’s awful for everyone who has lost someone. I’ve got long covid, and have had for 18 months, and I’m sorry for everyone else who has too.

But just looking at history- during the plague in the 1600s, they rushed back to open theatres as soon as they could, when cases were down. The Spanish flu was still rife and still deadly when (post war) society had just had enough of worrying about it. Polio outbreaks killed and injured hundreds of thousands of children every summer- and there was very little attempt at govt level to mitigate for that- it was very much down to communities to decide to close swimming pools/ parents to discourage certain behaviours etc.

At the end of the day, humans have always faced down epidemics- this is probably just the first one to hit the western world at a time when life has been prized so highly, life expectancy has been so high, and premature mortality so low. We’re dealing with what our (recent ancestors) lived with as a matter of course- the high likelihood of death or injury from disease - and it’s been a terrible catastrophe and an awful shock.

I just don’t think it will be the catalyst for social revolution (good or bad) many seem to expect.

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IncessantNameChanger · 27/11/2021 11:04

I think the appetite to conform to not seeing family and friends will be low while the national graph looks as it currently does. It's been looking roughly the same since September overall nationally.

The only thing that would really upset me is cancelling school things like plays or closing school. Closing hotels and Christmas markets etc. I have one booked for next weekend so I doubt I'm going to miss that.

I'm not one for breaking rules and have stuck to them but this is year two into this now. Time passing kills people of old age. Not everyone has a few more years of sitting tight left in them. On that basis I dont judge.

I dont honestly care if they say no mixing and some people chose to mix. I really dont.

As i have said multiple times my son had covid over summer and dh, me and his three siblings could go about life as normal certain that was covered in the virus. Cannot come back from that mentally. The fear factor went right then.

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BlowBadness1 · 27/11/2021 11:04

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alborana · 27/11/2021 11:07

Lockdowns last year meant I wasn't able to see my only remaining family member at Xmas. She has now died. Luckily I have DH and his family. I've complied with everything asked, but this year we will spend Xmas with family regardless of what the rules are. I feel foolish and sad that I did what was asked last year as I've heard of so many people who ignored the rules. I wish I had.

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FatOaf · 27/11/2021 11:07

Christmas will not be cancelled.

That's what you said last year Boris.

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dabbydeedoo · 27/11/2021 11:09

Many of us live alone and don't have relatives living nearby. Surely not that hard to grasp?

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BlowBadness1 · 27/11/2021 11:10

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DaphneDeloresMoorhead · 27/11/2021 11:14

there's literally no reason to be meeting people of a different generation face to face unless you actually don't care that you could kill them.

I'd rather be dead thanks. You can shove your VR headset as an alternative to actually being with my paralysed, unable to speak mother up where the sun doesn't shine.

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DaisyNGO · 27/11/2021 11:14

@User135644

last year there were restrictions on that

Don't leave your house notices are a very last resort though surely.

But they have been done many times now.

It also means panto etc cancelled just like last year.

Are you asking a weird question because you are so worried? I feel this too Flowers
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HesterShaw1 · 27/11/2021 11:15

@Sparklingbrook

I had my booster this morning. Thought I'd have a look in the Coronavirus topic because I hadn't looked for a day or two because I assumed lots of madness re the new variant.

Christmas will go ahead on 25/12 as it does every year, you can't cancel Christmas. Lockdown or no lockdown you can still have a tree and Christmas food, sing carols and open your presents.
Everyone is going to do what they like regardless.

Sorry @Sparklingbrook, Christmas really wasn't fine last year, for so many people. If my sister hadn't broken the rules she would have stayed in London and my elderly mum would have been alone then for Christmas then another four months. I was alone, but I'm more able to cope than DM. It was still shit. There were no presents, no carols, no Christmas food because we'd all planned to be together at DM's. It wasn't fine.
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Whatiswrongwithmyknee · 27/11/2021 11:15

@poshme

Lockdown for 3-4 months every winter? What planet are you on? The one where money grows on trees I suppose? Where no one has mental health issues? Where children and teenagers don't need to socialise in order to grow up well rounded people?

Well I suppose we curb population growth a bit too on account of the massive increase in suicides this will prompt. Ridiculous idea.
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Lilifer · 27/11/2021 11:15

Why has all Blownadness posts been deleted?🤔

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