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AIBU : unvaxxed friend moaning about covid

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UnicyclingBabies · 23/11/2021 23:33

My friend has covid. Her husband and her kids have covid. They are not seriously ill thank goodness, but they're feeling pretty rough and finding it hard and inconvenient to be stuck inside feeling unwell and have all the hassle of Test and Trace etc

Every day she posts on social media moaning about it. I get that it's not fun for her, but I know loads of people who've had covid (including some who were hospitalised) and none of them seemed to need to complain so publicly. The kicker is, she and all her family are unvaccinated. AIBU to feel irritated?

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Dogknowsbest · 24/11/2021 19:21

I'm at the point of really not caring about vaccine status or judging people for not choosing to have it. For a vaccine it's not great and given how cavalier we all are, I think we may have been better off socially distancing and wearing face masks. I've had both doses and for 2 weeks I've still been unwell. Maybe my symptoms aren't as they would have been but 10 days and still being ill is a long time to be sick for. I know I'm not the worst affected. Now it's gone round my family so I'll have at least another 2 weeks of lost work. I wish people would stop overplaying the vaccine card. No face coverings and lack of social distancing is causing the spread now.

A pro vaxxer will bever admit the vaccine is shit. On the other hand, the argument from the other side about "what's in the vaccine? Am I going to grow 2 heads?" is also shit. Given the therapeutic dose is isn't very effective, toxicity will take a really long time achieve. I'm done with all threads regarding the vaccine.

bumbleymummy · 24/11/2021 19:35

@OhMaria

It's like people are putting their fingers in their ears and chanting la la la when even the government tells you getting vaccinated doesn't stop you getting it. I know more vaccinated people who got it than non vaccinated, some quite badly despite getting the jab.
Maybe it makes ‘vaxxers’ feel ‘superior’? Hmm
Heyvedge · 24/11/2021 19:47

@Onelifeonly

She would still have to deal with test and trace, and be in isolation if she was vaccinated.

No, you don't have to isolate if you are double jabbed and have contact with someone who has covid, even if you live with them.

The whole family have Covid so they all had to isolate, so of course they have to deal with T&T
Onelifeonly · 25/11/2021 07:05

Deal with T and T, yes. Not isolate if fully vaccinated. Of course if there are children to look after, that's different.

Abraxan · 25/11/2021 07:39

I've read a lot of posts stating the vaccine makes no difference to catching covid, transmitting covid, how ill someone i]will be, etc.

If you truly believe this, why do you think governments and medical experts (not just people who read it via Google) are pushing for high vaccine rates right across the world?

Do you think that all governments, virologists, medics, scientists right across the world are all in in some big prank to the entire world population, by pushing a drug that some of you seem to believe does nothing??

OhMaria · 25/11/2021 12:14

I don't think it makes a difference enough to think a party during a pandemic is a great idea if you don't trust the product enough to protect you from people not using the product

Also check the hospitalisation and death data on the virus for non vulnerable people, we were told this was all to protect the vulnerable. But they want parties too? During a pandemic sooo bad that in western Europe you can't get a bus without a vaccine in some countries now? Come on!

Findingthelight1 · 25/11/2021 16:12

OhMaria... wtf are you on about?!

PAFMO · 25/11/2021 16:25

@OhMaria

It's like people are putting their fingers in their ears and chanting la la la when even the government tells you getting vaccinated doesn't stop you getting it. I know more vaccinated people who got it than non vaccinated, some quite badly despite getting the jab.
Yes, Maria. We all do. That's because more people have been vaccinated. D'oh. Again, for the hard of comprehending. Look up "base rate fallacy". (There might be a "for beginners" version somewhere)

Where do you have to have a vaccine to get on a bus?

OhMaria · 25/11/2021 18:08

That would be Italy.

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/24/italy-poised-to-tighten-rules-for-unvaccinated-with-super-green-pass
"Italy’s prime minister, Mario Draghi, has been under pressure from regional governors to impose a stricter health mandate against people who have not been vaccinated. He said on Wednesday it was essential to mitigate the risk of coronavirus infections surging and preserve normality as his government tightened regulations against unvaccinated people by barring them from an array of social and recreational settings.

“We want to be very careful and also to preserve what we have achieved this year, to preserve this normality,” he said.

"In a surprise move, people will also have to show proof of vaccination, recovering from Covid-19 or of a negative test taken within the previous 48 hours when using public transport such as buses or metro trains. "

PAFMO · 25/11/2021 18:12

@OhMaria

That would be Italy.

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/24/italy-poised-to-tighten-rules-for-unvaccinated-with-super-green-pass
"Italy’s prime minister, Mario Draghi, has been under pressure from regional governors to impose a stricter health mandate against people who have not been vaccinated. He said on Wednesday it was essential to mitigate the risk of coronavirus infections surging and preserve normality as his government tightened regulations against unvaccinated people by barring them from an array of social and recreational settings.

“We want to be very careful and also to preserve what we have achieved this year, to preserve this normality,” he said.

"In a surprise move, people will also have to show proof of vaccination, recovering from Covid-19 or of a negative test taken within the previous 48 hours when using public transport such as buses or metro trains. "

Thank you. It did seem a bit anomalous that in Italy you've had to show a green pass for buses/trains/planes that cross regional lines, but not local ones.
Findingthelight1 · 25/11/2021 18:16

I've found a really simple explanation of base rate fallacy, which might help some posters:

From Psychology Today:
"Let's suppose you hear that following a party attended by ten people, one vaccinated person and one unvaccinated person became ill from Covid-19. You might think, "Wow, one out of two people (50 percent) who got Covid were vaccinated! So why bother to get vaccinated?"

This is basically the argument you see every day all over social media. But what’s wrong with this way of thinking?

To see the problem, imagine I tell you that at this same party with the two Covid-19 illnesses, both people who became ill were right-handed. Would you then conclude that if you’re left-handed, you’re safe? Probably not. But why not? The answer, of course, is that because there are far more right-handed people in general (90 percent of us are right-handed), there will also be far more right-handed illnesses. In other words, the chances that a person who becomes ill is right-handed is already much higher simply because right-handedness is much more common.

The important point here is the idea that the overall prevalence of something in the population, like right-handedness versus left-handedness, matters when thinking about how likely something is in those two groups. This overall prevalence is the base rate, and our tendency to ignore the overall prevalence is the base rate fallacy. The base rate of being right-handed is very high, so there will be more of just about anything in right- than left-handers, including illness from Covid-19, simply because of this difference in base rate. More right-handers than left-handers eat hamburgers every day. But that doesn’t mean right-handers like hamburgers more than left-handers. It just means there are more right-handers.

Now if we replace “right-handed” with “vaccinated” we can start to see why the base rate fallacy matters in any vaccination discussion. Just like with right-handedness, as vaccination rate increases and there are more vaccinated and fewer unvaccinated people in the population, the absolute numbers of vaccinated people who become ill will increase.

Suppose you now learn that at this party with two Covid-19 illnesses, out of ten people, eight people were vaccinated and two were not. You might still be tempted to say that 1 out of 2 ill people were vaccinated, but that clearly misses the important point about base rates. The right way to think about this is that the one vaccinated person who became ill was one out of eight vaccinated people (12.5 percent), but the one unvaccinated person who became ill was one out of two unvaccinated people (50 percent). Very different, right? The conclusion you’d reach from this example when the base rate is considered is that you would have been about four times more likely to become ill at this party if you’d been unvaccinated. In fact, the real numbers are even more strongly tilted in favor of vaccination. And we're all at this party."

ktel1 · 25/11/2021 18:46

"In a surprise move, people will also have to show proof of vaccination, recovering from Covid-19 or of a negative test taken within the previous 48 hours when using public transport such as buses or metro trains. "

This above is (even more) ridiculous.

In Canada they have't yet mandated a vaccine to use local transit but all planes and trains outside of the local area require you to be vaccinated.

You can't use a negative test or proof of recovery just just can't travel unless vaccinated.

The way things are going in Canada I wouldn't be at all surprised to see them apply it for local transport as well similar to Italy.

What next is what I'm wondering- barred from what are currently deemed essential services including medical and dental ? Barred access to funds?

Cacee3029 · 25/11/2021 19:00

I have a friend like this. Refused the jab, she's recently had covid and all she's done is moan about how she is and she's still not fully better now over the isolation period. I do sympathise with her being ill but one minute she's sharing anti vaccine stuff, then she's really ill with covid 🤦‍♀️

FreshFreesias · 25/11/2021 19:06

Yabu

Nikki078 · 26/11/2021 07:06

YANBU. Some people simply like to complain, at times publicly, and this can wear you down. I know those that complained about covid in general, unnecessary and difficuly restrictions that stopped them from living as usual, then about crowds when things opened up, then about cases raising, then about possible further restrictions, about side effects of vaccines, other countries dealing better... it's not a vacc/covid opinion that's annoying in this case, but the persistant need to complain.

UnicyclingBabies · 26/11/2021 09:56

I think you're right that it was partly the complaining regardless of the vax status. They've only had it mildly and I know other people who've really been through it but kept it to themselves so as not to worry others.

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UnicyclingBabies · 26/11/2021 09:58

Thanks for the explanations about the base rate fallacy. I think I was aware but it's good to have it set out in black and white.

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sleepwouldbenice · 27/11/2021 00:32

Hamburger

sleepwouldbenice · 27/11/2021 00:33

@sleepwouldbenice

Hamburger
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