Johnson Press Conference

[Claudethecat]

Is he just trying to nudge up the booster numbers, or is he genuinely concerned?

Turning to Covid, I want to update you on our progress,and, in particular, on these storm clouds that are gathering over the continent

A new wave of Covid has steadily swept through central Europe and is now affecting our nearest neighbours in western Europe.

Our friends on the continent have been forced to respond with various degrees of new restrictions, from full lockdowns, to lockdowns for the unvaccinated, to restrictions on business opening hours and restrictions on social gatherings.

We don’t yet know the extent to which this new wave will wash up on our shores, but history shows we cannot afford to be complacent.

Indeed in recent days cases there have been rising here in the UK, so we must remain vigilant.

Because there is one lesson we can draw from the current situation in Europe.

Those countries with lower vaccination rates have tended to see bigger surges in infection, and in turn been forced to respond with harsher measures.

While those countries with higher vaccination rates have, so far, fared better.

This shows us once again that if we want to control the epidemic here in the UK,and if we want to avoid new restrictions on our daily lives, we must all get vaccinated as soon as we are eligible.

[quote Itsnotallaboutyoubaby]@Thewiseoneincognito we might not get a wave here. Our results were far higher than Europe’s over the summer. It might be that we’ve already had ours… in fact I thought that was the plan. The plan was to take away all restrictions so everyone caught it summer / autumn before winter as we all know it’s worse to have a surge in winter.[/quote]
No don’t accept it’s bullshit.

Posters won’t know more than Chris Whitty even if they think so personally.

This shows where we are compared to last year and how flat and slow the rise has been on important lines

Our cases have been at a steady level for months. I thought that was the plan, rather then what has happened in some European countries where cases have quickly gone from very low to very high. Massive increases are difficult for any health service to deal with, even the best ones. Look at the figures in Austria; 851 per 100,000. Ours have been hovering around 400 per 100,000 for weeks/months.

It's hard to take the PM seriously after those photos of him sitting next to David Attenborough at COP26, surrounded by people in masks but not wearing one himself.

Hospitals and the ambulance service are already massively struggling though with non-covid work so who knows what will happen.

Just seen on Sky News that booster evidence will be added to Covid passports. So essentially your booster will be required if you’re to be classed as fully vaccinated for isolation rules and travel.

If this is the case then won’t they need to consider giving a specific time frame for expiration of immunity?

What will happen if the third jab wanes and we need a fourth etc?

Chris Whitty has been saying that caution was important all through the summer - not go out and get infected @MarshaBradyo

Just in case you thought you knew better than that.

From the BBC -

Mr Johnson said it was "increasingly obvious" that we will "have to adjust our concept of what constitutes a full vaccination"

This is what worries me the most .

@Itsnotallaboutyoubaby

Is it actually that bad in Europe? I haven’t kept up but I was under the impression we had higher numbers?

We do. (though he's a bit late tbh, as the time to act in the UK was a few weeks ago) You couldn't make it up. Yet he does.

Indeed Nordica, plus he is such a proven liar, it is very hard to know what to think or believe.

@containsnuts

From the BBC -

Mr Johnson said it was "increasingly obvious" that we will "have to adjust our concept of what constitutes a full vaccination"

This is what worries me the most .

Doesn't it mean they are actually going to fully vaccinate teenagers? That's how I read it. Might be wrong though.

@herecomesthsun

Chris Whitty has been saying that caution was important all through the summer - not go out and get infected *@MarshaBradyo*

Just in case you thought you knew better than that.

I’m really not sure why you missed the key part of his advice?

He said winter flu season would mean we needed summer peak early

It was the reason why he said yes to July 19

It’s odd that you missed the key part

@Thewiseoneincognito

Just seen on Sky News that booster evidence will be added to Covid passports. So essentially your booster will be required if you’re to be classed as fully vaccinated for isolation rules and travel.

If this is the case then won’t they need to consider giving a specific time frame for expiration of immunity?

What will happen if the third jab wanes and we need a fourth etc?

Maybe like in other countries that accept previous infection/immunity. It's on the Covid pass, but expires at 180 days.

Preparation for plan B. Face masks back, WFH and Covid passports needed to attend events. That's what I suspect will be in play by the end of the year depending on take up of vaccines. I'm not trying to scaremonger as I sincerely hope this doesn't happen - I don't mind the masks so much but quite like being able to go into the office when I want to.

www.gov.uk/government/news/jcvi-issues-advice-on-covid-19-booster-vaccines-for-those-aged-40-to-49-and-second-doses-for-16-to-17-year-olds

....The JCVI is advising that all 16 to 17 year olds who are not in an at-risk group should be offered a second dose of the Pfizer vaccine. The second vaccine dose should be given 12 weeks or more following the first vaccine dose.

@MarshaBradyo

"Freedom Day" was a Government initiative - not a scientific one.

Odd you don't understand that.

However, though there was some rationale for a degree of easing, the scientific advice all the way through was for caution mixing indoors etc.

Strange you didn't pick that up.

@VienneseWhirligig

Preparation for plan B. Face masks back, WFH and Covid passports needed to attend events. That's what I suspect will be in play by the end of the year depending on take up of vaccines. I'm not trying to scaremonger as I sincerely hope this doesn't happen - I don't mind the masks so much but quite like being able to go into the office when I want to.

This is pretty much the case in Wales already @VienneseWhirligig! We are not forced to WFH, but it is encouraged. We have covid passes and we still have masks for shops etc, although not pubs and restaurants

@PAFMO he was referring to boosters. We'll need 3 doses to be considered fully vaccinated. But where does it end? Isreal already planning dose number 4.

Seems Tesco didnt pick it up either!!!

[quote containsnuts]@PAFMO he was referring to boosters. We'll need 3 doses to be considered fully vaccinated. But where does it end? Isreal already planning dose number 4.[/quote]
Ah, ok.
I think (imagine) that this will go on for another year maybe, wasn't that what they were saying earlier this year? 2022-2023 should kick the arse of this thing down the road finally as long as relevant action is taken when needed.

[quote herecomesthsun]@MarshaBradyo

"Freedom Day" was a Government initiative - not a scientific one.

Odd you don't understand that.

However, though there was some rationale for a degree of easing, the scientific advice all the way through was for caution mixing indoors etc.

Strange you didn't pick that up.[/quote]
No freedom day was a media term

Chris Whitty said yes to lifting to on July 19

I don’t know why you are resorting to sarcasm. I’m not I’m actually surprised you missed this key part of the process. What he advised at the cabinet meeting meant we lifted in July 19

The chief medical adviser has warned ministers of a challenging winter but said that England is on course to ease restrictions on July 19.

Professor Chris Whitty said at a cabinet briefing on Monday that the increase in coronavirus cases was not leading to a sharp rise in people needing hospital treatment.

Professor Chris Whitty said at a cabinet briefing on Monday that the increase in coronavirus cases was not leading to a sharp rise in people needing hospital treatment.

I've spent the last few months on respiratory wards, they are at capacity. In terms of patients, they are beyond capacity, with patients in ambulances for hours until they can get a bed.

Really frustrating when the government try to convince us the NHS is coping. It's not.

@CorrBlimeyGG

Professor Chris Whitty said at a cabinet briefing on Monday that the increase in coronavirus cases was not leading to a sharp rise in people needing hospital treatment.

I've spent the last few months on respiratory wards, they are at capacity. In terms of patients, they are beyond capacity, with patients in ambulances for hours until they can get a bed.

Really frustrating when the government try to convince us the NHS is coping. It's not.

It’s an old quote btw

Referring back to Chris Whitty advising to go ahead on July 19

"Professor Chris Whitty said at a cabinet briefing on Monday that the increase in coronavirus cases was not leading to a sharp rise in people needing hospital treatment"

He knows fine well it takes a while for that to happen. It's like in Scotland when they claimed that a weekend festival didn't cause a spike in cases - they said this on the Tuesday! They tell us what they want us to think.

No sharp increase because it's already high!

The UK 'stable' is 100s a day being killed (and many more left long term ill).

@PAFMO I think another year or two is very optimistic, this is not going to go away anytime soon unless we have a complete cure that eradicates it completely, a vaccine that stops you being infected and transmitting. Until this happens it seems we will be having boosters indefinitely, this third dose will be monitored to see how long immunity lasts (Israel is our coal mine canary as they a few weeks ahead of us with booster program) and then the fourth when needed etc

I suspect the scientists and governments know this is our fate for now already but for some reason they’re hesitant in saying so.

@containsnuts

"Professor Chris Whitty said at a cabinet briefing on Monday that the increase in coronavirus cases was not leading to a sharp rise in people needing hospital treatment"

He knows fine well it takes a while for that to happen. It's like in Scotland when they claimed that a weekend festival didn't cause a spike in cases - they said this on the Tuesday! They tell us what they want us to think.

No it’s really old June / July - it was to pp re advice from CMO

Compared to the predictions from various people about spikes he got it right imo