Scrapping the 10 days isolation would be the best and easiest way to support schools...

[Warhertisuff]

The disruption this causes is considerable, and massively outweigh the benefits. I'm not really sure what the benefits are actually!

Of course. If you're too ill to be at school for ten days as a pupil or teacher that's fine, but the vast majority would be back within a few days if they even needed to be off at all! We must be losing 10s if not 100s of 1,000s days of schools unnecessarily, whilst not really preventing much infection ultimately (virtually all children will be exposed to it some time this year)

Some modelling released today around peak and fall pre winter, which is good to see

@Oblomov21

I can't agree with op. But, It all depends where you are. In some areas it's rife. Practically nothing here, in Surrey, in any of the local schools, a few cases, not that many. I only know 2 people who have had it this year, they were totally fine, not unwell, asymptomatic. None of ds's friends have had it at all.

How do you know this?

We had some classes with 20% positive cases, one with 55% last week. We don't tell parents anymore.

I think you can see from here where it is absolutely rife

Got it, not sure where the ‘cured’ came from! Rage typing

So sorry, Sheena. I really hope you don't get too ill.

We have two teachers mid or just post cancer treatment and two spouses of staff the same. It's not as simple as saying leave your job if you get cancer, is it?

Thanks DanglingMod it really isn’t. And now the government will have written to your colleagues telling them they aren’t CEV and won’t be asked to shield.

I’m post treatment but I had lung issues caused by chemo, so a respiratory infection isn’t ideal. Hopefully I’ll be ok but who knows?

@QueefofSheena 💐

[quote Treblebass]@julieca

I’m sure not ALL the staff will get Ill at the same time, but I’m 99 percent certain that every staff member who does get it is really REALLY ill with it. They want two weeks off from the shit show that is education. I can’t really say I blame them I would do exactly the same.

Meanwhile in the real world people aren’t getting REALLY ill from covid after a double vaccination.[/quote]
So, I am a teacher who - I am sure you will be pleased to hear got REALLY ill at no inconvenience to you during my summer holidays. Double vacced , I was in hospital twice and was ill for at least 6 weeks.

It is offensive in the extreme to suggest people in certain occupations are exaggerating their illness, and that there aren't double vaccinated people who are , for whatever reasons, becoming ill enough to need urgent medical care.

Teachers are the least likely profession to pull a sickie.

"Just 24 per cent of educators admitting to feigning illness to skip work, compared to 76 per cent of people working in retail, and 68 per cent in leisure, sport and tourism."

"Last year, a separate study found that almost half of classroom teachers in England "always" feel compelled to go to work, even when feeling unwell.

This compared with an average of 26 per cent of employees in other sectors."

www.tes.com/news/teachers-least-likely-professionals-pull-sickie

Hope you are ok, Sheena. Your poor DS for feeling guilty over something that's not his fault. Kids have no way of avoiding it.

Come on now, Noble and Piggy, let's not get a few facts get in the way of a good old hatchet job.

@QueefofSheena

I’m going to get a wrist slap/deletion for this but it’s worth it: fuck off OP, you stupid selfish cunt. I’m CEV (cancer patient) and I’ve cured got it, waiting to see how much worse it’s going to get is an absolute joy 🙄. My teenage DS is terrified I will die, and is blaming himself for bringing it in from school. So just get to fuck.

❤️

awful

@AlexaShutUp

Because we are in the bit of the cycle where it is obvious to most that continuing to ignore covid isn't working, and that makes the anti-public health people a bit wild.

So true @rrhuth.

It would be great to live somewhere where kids and teachers were valued. It is being made inevitable that all kids and teachers will get it as we do nothing to protect them - we do the opposite. Rather than question this exceptionally dark and cruel policy, some want to go even further. Irrespective of impact on NHS, we should be offering school communities some protection, rather than subjecting them to an illness associated with organ damage. It's not 'inevitable' in other countries. Their lives matter too. Even if they are just kids and teachers. The amount of bollocks that has been spewed to justify treatment of kids is astounding - everything from they don't catch it to they don't spread it. They've got a big bill to pay, we can spend something on them.

Spot on, @beentoldcomputersaysno.
Thank you.

I believe quite the opposite to op original post. I think we wouldn’t have such high levels of covid around if whole households shut down for the 10days when there is a positive case.

My DC tested positive when completely asymptomatic. Only tested as sibling had a cough ( was negative). I suspect many children have had it/ have it spreading through schools. It's scary.

Area I am in in now dark bit on the map above - my DC school quietly sent a year group home last week didn't have the teaching staff as so many off sick other schools did so earlier and there were news articles.

There been a lot of news reports about heads not finding substitute teachers and phoning 10 or more agencies and still coming up short.

The one child in GCSE Year does have teachers in front of them - not always their teacher not always a releavant subject teacher.

My youngest 12 is only being vaccinated this week - DS was done few weeks ago.

We have really high vaccination rates in the area - take up in teens has been high and vaccination program efficent here - we've had high rates of infection before - yet here we are again really high rates.

It does seem to be down to neigbouring areas lab results problems - so I can't help thinking this idea would make the problem even worse than it currently is.

Meanwhile in the real world people aren’t getting REALLY ill from covid after a double vaccination

Jesus fucking wept. I had covid over the summer - I felt just about well enough to work on day 21. At no point did I struggle with breathing but I had every other bloody symptom going. It became a source of amusement in my house waiting to see what I was suffering with that day. Several days in the middle all I did was sleep - I counted one day where I was properly fast asleep for 19 out of 24 hours.

Given that it was the holidays and my children are old enough to amuse themselves, I did nothing but rest. Had it been term time, I have no doubt whatsoever I’d have gone back around day 14 but at what cost to my health long term. Never been so grateful to get ill during a holiday and just have the time and space to recuperate.

I am not someone who gets ill as a general rule. I take very little time off - the odd day here and there with D&V. Never had longer than 5 consecutive days off in my now very long working life. To suggest that doible vaxxed people are never really ill or faking illness to get time off means who knows what long term issues for those forced back into work before they are ready. We cannot ignore that for some of us, this is a nasty virus and even if we experience it mildly, we can still be very unwell for an undefined period of time.

How do you know this?

We had some classes with 20% positive cases, one with 55% last week. We don't tell parents anymore.

Dangling. Just because your school doesn't tell you how many cases they have each week, doesn't mean others don't. We have a weekly e-mail from Head, and cases that week are stated. Our 3 other local schools do this.

I never said what other areas do. I said what ours did.

warhertisuff is that you Jacob RM?

You're being ridiculous. I know of lots of teachers in South West who have had covid last few weeks - mainly due to faulty PCR testing which meant loads of students & staff came back into school despite being positive for COVID.

Those who have been ill have been really unwell and felt quite alarmed at how ill they have been. Some students have been really unwell too.

noblegiraffe always talks sense.

I also think teachers don't call in sick unless they're pretty unwell. It's easier to just go in. So that could mean some have gone back in too soon.

Don’t gpdorget viral load has a big impact. Teachers most probably will have been mixing with several positive kids and have therefore been exposed to a high viral load.
Making them quite ill - that’s been my experience anyway.