Scrapping the 10 days isolation would be the best and easiest way to support schools...

[Warhertisuff]

The disruption this causes is considerable, and massively outweigh the benefits. I'm not really sure what the benefits are actually!

Of course. If you're too ill to be at school for ten days as a pupil or teacher that's fine, but the vast majority would be back within a few days if they even needed to be off at all! We must be losing 10s if not 100s of 1,000s days of schools unnecessarily, whilst not really preventing much infection ultimately (virtually all children will be exposed to it some time this year)

Yes I think we will Alexa

As early twenties have

Agreed. My child was poorly for one day and the other two completely asymptomatic.

There are a lot of articles online saying there is concern about the number of people getting covid twice.

@MarshaBradyo

Yes I think we will Alexa

As early twenties have

OK, now I have properly understood your earlier comment. I haven't seen the rates for early 20s recently? Have they dropped quite a lot then?

@Treblebass

Agreed. My child was poorly for one day and the other two completely asymptomatic.

I dont think the issue is most kids. But schools will close if all the staff get covid. This variant seems to lead to worse symptoms in adults. I am not talking about death, just being at home ill.

Presumably 30s/40s won't be too far behind, then? Most of dd's friends who got it managed to infect at least one parent, if not both.

@julieca

When I google all I find is a medic saying half of children have PROBABLY had covid. I suspect your statistic is made up.

How rude.

news.sky.com/story/covid-19-virtually-any-child-would-get-coronavirus-between-12-and-15-without-vaccination-whitty-12414468

Where's the 76% figure come from? I don't believe that (based on experience of being in school).

Scrapping isolating is a terrible idea. Keeping the spread lower is saving lives.

It's been a while since we had one of these threads.

Fortunately isolating doesn't affect attendence. We have had enough pushing children back to school before they are well.

One thing i watched about longer covid was resting no matter how few symptoms is really important in avoiding in.

@julieca

I’m sure not ALL the staff will get Ill at the same time, but I’m 99 percent certain that every staff member who does get it is really REALLY ill with it. They want two weeks off from the shit show that is education. I can’t really say I blame them I would do exactly the same.

Meanwhile in the real world people aren’t getting REALLY ill from covid after a double vaccination.

@FourTeaFallOut not at all rude. Still zero link to where 76% came from.

Ah, sorry julieca, your post followed MarshaBradyo and it looked like you were saying that she'd made up the 50% and called Chris Whitty "some medic"

[quote julieca]@FourTeaFallOut not at all rude. Still zero link to where 76% came from.[/quote]
I posted the link earlier in the thread.

www.mrc-bsu.cam.ac.uk/now-casting/nowcasting-and-forecasting-20th-october-2021/

Look under "epidemic summary", "attack rate" and "by age".

I haven't seen the rates for early 20s recently? Have they dropped quite a lot then?
Early 20s, nearly 70% have had vaccines as opposed to 20% of 12-15yos. Also 12-15yos are only having one vaccine which is noticeably weaker, whereas the 20s are having 2.
I don't think we can look at 20s and extrapolate to the secondary school age for that reason alone.
But also the secondary school age is very different in what they do. How many other age groups are put in a situation where they sit in a room with 29 other people of the same age all day?

Where's the 76% figure come from? I don't believe that
I am sceptical too. It's being banded about MN (a bit like the "only small number of people really died" in the first wave) but the only person I've seen who tried to link to the data, the information didn't say that, and when you went into the raw data, even using the upper confidence level throughout, I was still only getting about 60%.

So I suspect someone has said it, possibly withdrawn the information, but it's a nice idea so people have adopted it.

[quote Treblebass]@julieca

I’m sure not ALL the staff will get Ill at the same time, but I’m 99 percent certain that every staff member who does get it is really REALLY ill with it. They want two weeks off from the shit show that is education. I can’t really say I blame them I would do exactly the same.

Meanwhile in the real world people aren’t getting REALLY ill from covid after a double vaccination.[/quote]
That really isn't true. I know a few people who have been really poorly with covid after a double jab. Thankfully I wasn't one of them, but I still felt pretty lousy for most of my quarantine period.

@Treblebass Lots of teachers who do get ill with covid have been exposed to a high viral load, therefore you'd expect them to have a worse case.

Some teachers have ended up in ITU with covid, others only know they had it due to a positive LFT. I have currently got teacher friends teaching from home with asymptomatic covid, meanwhile the other member of staff who go it on the same day, is in hospital on a Friday night ventilator.

How many other age groups are put in a situation where they sit in a room with 29 other people of the same age all day?

I agree so delta will spread quickly

If 50% at start of term and most mitigations removed it will have gone up

I can find anything though, do you have a link Warher?

I have been double jabbed am off ill. There is no way I could work at the moment. Four of us caught it at same gathering. Three have been too ill to work.

@Warhertisuff has already posted the link to be fair...twice.

Oh yes there it is distracted

My teens are in Glos/Chelt schools and it is absolutely rife right now. One of mine is positive and isolating and his is a direct result of the testing issues. At least one of his friends was positive on a LFT then negative on PCR and back at school. Now 2/3 of the tutor group have it and goodness knows how many more in other classes.

@Warhertisuff can you explain how you get 76% from those graphs?
Are you looking only at 5-14-year-olds?

How does this support schools? It might make life easier for working parents but it doesn’t help schools in any shape or form.

[quote julieca]@Warhertisuff can you explain how you get 76% from those graphs?
Are you looking only at 5-14-year-olds?[/quote]
Yes, the 76% refers to children between 5 and 14.