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Why do restrictions have to be introduced?

141 replies

Dancerinthedark01 · 23/10/2021 10:19

Vaccines were meant to stop the spread.

Vaccines were meant to prevent hospitalisation.

Fine - if they’re not working let’s admit that. Then I understand the need for restrictions again.

But if vaccines work why are we back in this position?

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Getawaywithit · 25/10/2021 19:02

Whilst I don’t disagree with the issue of under-funding, I’m not sure it’s viable to have the resources available for what will likely be a once in a lifetime event 100% of the time. It’s not viable for a country to run on a ‘just in case basis’ (would love someone better versed in economics to suggest differently). I think we need a balance between a well-funded, properly staffed and resources NHS and one that is ready for anything. The British public will need to pay more tax and that is very much the sticking point,

mrshoho · 25/10/2021 19:10

@Getawaywithit

Whilst I don’t disagree with the issue of under-funding, I’m not sure it’s viable to have the resources available for what will likely be a once in a lifetime event 100% of the time. It’s not viable for a country to run on a ‘just in case basis’ (would love someone better versed in economics to suggest differently). I think we need a balance between a well-funded, properly staffed and resources NHS and one that is ready for anything. The British public will need to pay more tax and that is very much the sticking point,
Yes but we weren't at an acceptable starting position even in dealing with our previous covid health needs. Our hospital beds to population ratios were much less than other comparable countries. The warnings from NHS staff were not acknowledged. Yes we need to pay more tax to fund and raise our health services standards. And I don't want privatisation to be the answer.
weesmallhours · 25/10/2021 19:19

I think we should run a lot more on a 'just in case' basis, but I agree there's a limit to what the things we're set up 'just in case' of can be. We should have a lot more spare capacity routinely, like they do in other countries, but that will still never be enough to fully deal with the acute phase of a once in a lifetime pandemic. It would certainly make dealing with the less acute recovery phase better though - it would mean we'd have a lot fewer people waiting for treatment right now. It would mean staff would be less burnt out and fewer would be leaving their jobs.

luckylavender · 25/10/2021 19:23

@Dancerinthedark01 - I didn’t sign up to the prospect of being vaccinated every 6 months.

What does that mean? What's your alternative?

MercyBooth · 25/10/2021 20:00

The twitter famous Dr's are doing the Tories a favour. The more they lecture the population that we have to moderate our life's to protect the NHS the more call for a total reset (privatisation) will become appealing.

rrhuth · 25/10/2021 20:10

@MercyBooth

The twitter famous Dr's are doing the Tories a favour. The more they lecture the population that we have to moderate our life's to protect the NHS the more call for a total reset (privatisation) will become appealing.
Oh yes, they should all just be quiet Hmm

FFS, some people attack doctors for anything, you know something is wrong in your country when doctors are attacked for speaking out on matters of healthcare.

MercyBooth · 25/10/2021 20:10

They could try not putting a photo up that was taken in June.

SapereAude · 25/10/2021 20:12

@rrhuth, well said.
I trust the NHS/doctor haters are so healthy they never have to use the services they loathe so much.

rrhuth · 25/10/2021 20:12

@Getawaywithit

Whilst I don’t disagree with the issue of under-funding, I’m not sure it’s viable to have the resources available for what will likely be a once in a lifetime event 100% of the time. It’s not viable for a country to run on a ‘just in case basis’ (would love someone better versed in economics to suggest differently). I think we need a balance between a well-funded, properly staffed and resources NHS and one that is ready for anything. The British public will need to pay more tax and that is very much the sticking point,
Yeah, this is simply wrong.

Cameron deliberately cut ICU beds to well below European average levels (so not even super German levels).

I can't imagine why the UK has a winter bed crisis every year Hmm

You have to have spare capacity in the system. Or your country is dangerously exposed. As we are finding out.

rrhuth · 25/10/2021 20:13

@MercyBooth

They could try not putting a photo up that was taken in June.
I'm sure you are perfect and TBF she apologised once it was pointed out to her.

If you hate doctors, that's your issue.

MercyBooth · 25/10/2021 20:14

And im not attacking doctors Stop smearing me. Im pointing out that the ones who keep doing this stuff (they are in the minority) will also be the ones asking the very same public whose lives they are trying to control, to sign petitions against privatisation. The NHS is not a homogenous mass you know. There are plenty of NHS workers who dont agree with these tactics who then get smeared as being far right.

mrshoho · 25/10/2021 20:14

She apologised for the photo error and changed it to a recent one. Nit picking instead of listening to the actual people dealing with this crisis.

MercyBooth · 25/10/2021 20:15

And thats why we can never have a discussion about the NHS. Because any deviation from sanctification and you get told you hate doctors.

rrhuth · 25/10/2021 20:16

@MercyBooth

And im not attacking doctors Stop smearing me. Im pointing out that the ones who keep doing this stuff (they are in the minority) will also be the ones asking the very same public whose lives they are trying to control, to sign petitions against privatisation. The NHS is not a homogenous mass you know. There are plenty of NHS workers who dont agree with these tactics who then get smeared as being far right.
You are literally attacking a doctor.

They are in the minority in being well-known, but they are not expressing minority views.

Youa re attacjking doctors and I LMAO at you whining 'stop smearing me' which is precisely what you are doing to those bloody doctors who are trying to get the government to take action to prevent unnecessary deaths.

Akg1123 · 25/10/2021 20:18

@Dancerinthedark01

Vaccines were meant to stop the spread.

Vaccines were meant to prevent hospitalisation.

Fine - if they’re not working let’s admit that. Then I understand the need for restrictions again.

But if vaccines work why are we back in this position?

Look at what other European countries have been doing . Effective vaccine rollout incl teens before school term and still using sensible measures to keep infection low.

Instead we have zero measures because apparently a certain number of deaths and individual suffering is ok economically? We are also increasing likelihood of creating another variant here.

My entire family has covid atm due to rampant infection in school. I am really ill and in a lot of pain and fearful of long covid due to preexisting conditions. I am double vax with AZ but not eligible for booster for a month. Frankly I’m really angry as it didn’t matter what I did, I was a sitting duck because this government feels it has no duty of care and so many people fell for freedom day😢

MercyBooth · 25/10/2021 20:19

Did no one teach you the difference between singular and plural at school. Im not attacking doctorS If any other had put a picture up with the wrong date on it ppl would be humming a different tune.

MercyBooth · 25/10/2021 20:20

How the fuck am i smearing by calling out something she has ACTUALLY done. Gaslight much

TheNoonBell · 25/10/2021 20:25

@Dancerinthedark01

Vaccines were meant to stop the spread.

Vaccines were meant to prevent hospitalisation.

Fine - if they’re not working let’s admit that. Then I understand the need for restrictions again.

But if vaccines work why are we back in this position?

Hint: It's not about a virus.
SapereAude · 25/10/2021 20:27

@MercyBooth

And im not attacking doctors Stop smearing me. Im pointing out that the ones who keep doing this stuff (they are in the minority) will also be the ones asking the very same public whose lives they are trying to control, to sign petitions against privatisation. The NHS is not a homogenous mass you know. There are plenty of NHS workers who dont agree with these tactics who then get smeared as being far right.
Here we go again. "Keep doing this stuff"

Pointing out they cannot do their work properly, saving lives and all, because they are desperately underfunded and their bosses' (the govt) handling of a tricky old global pandemic has been a shitshow from start to finish? That stuff?

"Will also be the ones asking the public whose lives they are trying to control"

Roll up roll up, it's conspiracy time again. But, to give you the benefit of the doubt- I'll check. You think the NHS workers complaining about their dire situation are trying to control your life? Have I got that?

"Sign petitions against privatisation" Like that's a bad thing? Again, I'll check. You want the NHS to be privatised (or obviously you wouldn't have a problem with those workers trying to prevent it- right?)

"Plenty of NHS workers who don't agree with these tactics who get smeared as being far right"

Can you provide any links to this? You always seem to have links to far right publications up your sleeve, tbf, so not sure where you've found the "smearing". Or what you mean. (though that's nothing new) Logically though, I think you're saying that NHS workers who don't think the NHS is in dire straits and who want the NHS to be privatised get smeared as being far right? Right?

winterisaroundthecorner · 25/10/2021 20:28

But if vaccines work why are we back in this position?

Simple. Because not enough people have been vaccinated to stop the spread. And no mitigation. No SD, No mask wearing. The virus doesn't go away just because people want to think it's over.

England is doing really bad, and everyone know why. People who really asking questions why is being silly. They should know why.

MercyBooth · 25/10/2021 20:31

I thought vaccines didnt stop the spread. They just reduce the chances of being seriously ill. chop change chop change

rrhuth · 25/10/2021 20:31

@MercyBooth

Did no one teach you the difference between singular and plural at school. Im not attacking doctorS If any other had put a picture up with the wrong date on it ppl would be humming a different tune.
Don't get all uppity with me, you are having a go at a women who spends her working life advocating for patients who need palliative care, which is grossly underfunded in the UK.

As for your plural/singular nonsense, your post was The twitter famous Dr's are doing the Tories a favour. The more they lecture the population that we have to moderate our life's to protect the NHS the more call for a total reset (privatisation) will become appealing. The word 'they' denotes plural in the English language.

Wellbythebloodyhell · 25/10/2021 20:35

Wealth above health?

The thing is to have a healthy population you need a wealthy economy to enable it to happen. If no one is working or businesses are folding left right and centre then money isn't going into to our NHS and other public services that help to keep us essentially a healthy nation.

rrhuth · 25/10/2021 20:37

@Wellbythebloodyhell

Wealth above health?

The thing is to have a healthy population you need a wealthy economy to enable it to happen. If no one is working or businesses are folding left right and centre then money isn't going into to our NHS and other public services that help to keep us essentially a healthy nation.

And to have a wealthy economy, you need a healthy population...